Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00585)

This is what I have found over the finite and infinite in Mahatma 
letter 6 on internet.
Plato was right: ideas rule the world; and, as men's minds will 
receive new ideas, laying aside the old and effete, the world will 
advance: mighty revolutions will spring from them; creeds and even 
powers will crumble before their onward march crushed by the 
irresistible force. It will be just as impossible to resist their 
influx, when the time comes, as to stay the progress of the tide. But 
all this will come gradually on, and before it comes we have a duty 
set before us; that of sweeping away as much as possible the dross 
left to us by our pious forefathers. New ideas have to be planted on 
clean places, for these ideas touch upon the most momentous subjects. 
It is not physical phenomena but these universal ideas that we study, 
as to comprehend the former, we have to first understand the latter. 
They touch man's true position in the universe, in relation to his 
previous and future births; his origin and ultimate destiny; the 
relation of the mortal to the immortal; of the temporary to the 
eternal; of the finite to the infinite; ideas larger, grander, more 
comprehensive, recognising the universal reign of Immutable Law, 
unchanging and unchangeable in regard to which there is only an 
ETERNAL Now, while to uninitiated mortals time is past or future as 
related to their finite existence on this material speck of dirt. 
This is what we study and what many have solved.

And now it is your province to decide which will you have: the 
highest philosophy or simple exhibitions of occult powers. Of course 
this is by far not the last word between us and -- you will have time 
to think it over. The Chiefs want a "Brotherhood of Humanity," a real 
Universal Fraternity started; an institution which would make itself 
known throughout the world and arrest the attention of the highest 
minds. I will send you my Essay. Will you be my co-worker and 
patiently wait for minor phenomena? I think I foresee the answer. At 
all events the holy lamp of spiritual light burning in you (however 
dimly) there is hope for you, and -- for me, also. Yes; put yourself 
in search after natives if there are no English people to be had. But 
think you, the spirit and power of persecution gone from this 
enlightened age? Time will prove. Meanwhile, being human I have to 
rest. I took no sleep for over 60 hours.

Ever yours truly,

KOOT' HOOMI. 



And few sight over Collected writings, perhaps she have written more 
in secret doctrine  and key to theosophy, but I will let it for now:



HPB.Collected writings IV
Page 536

vehicles, if preferred, as to facilitate the manifestation of his 
individuality in its original nature.

My own inference is that Advaita and this coincide, the former 
considering that Jivan is Parabrahm, modified by the latter into 
"Jivan is a part only of Parabrahm."

We believe not. A true esoteric Vedantic Advaitee would say: Aham eva 
Parambrahm, "I am also Parabrahm." In its external manifestation 
Jivan may be regarded as a distinct individuality?the latter a maya; 
in its essence or nature Jivan is?Parabrahm, the consciousness of the 
Paramatma manifesting through, and existing solely in, the aggregated 
Jivans viewed collectively. A creek in the shore of the ocean is one, 
so long only as the land it stretches upon is not redeemed. Forced 
back, its water becomes the ocean.

Considered in this manner, there is one Infinite, made up of 
numberless infinites.

We are at a loss to know what our learned brother can mean by Jivan 
being "dependent" on the whole, unless "inseparable from" is meant. 
If the whole is "all-pervading" and "infinite," all its parts must be 
indivisibly linked together. The idea of separation involves the 
possibility of a vacuum?a portion of space or time where the whole is 
supposed to be absent from some given point. Hence the absurdity of 
speaking of the parts of one Infinite being also infinite. To 
illustrate geometrically, suppose there is an infinite line, which 
has neither a beginning nor end. Its parts cannot also be infinite, 
for when you say "parts," they must have a beginning and end; or, in 
other words, they must be finite, either at one or the other end, 
which is as evident a fallacy as to speak of an immortal soul which 
was at some time created?thus implying a beginning to that which, if 
the word has any sense, is eternal.

Jiva, Iswara and Maya are considered to be real, all the three in 
this light, i.e., as long as anything has existence, it is real or 
true, although that existence may not last forever. The Advaitee says 
that only that which is immutable is true, and all things temporary 
and liable to change are illusionary; whereas the Viśishtadvaitee 
says that as immutability is real in the eternity, so mutability is 
also real for the time being, and so long as there is no change. My 
own inference is that all the difficulty here lies in the words, but 
that the idea is one. 

Collected writings VIII
Page 88


unknown principle called Parabrahman, Âdi-Buddha, the "One and 
Eternal Wisdom."
If there is a still greater absurdity than to speak of a cruel God: 
it is to admit that God, the Great, Absolute Whole, could ever 
interfere in terrestrial or human affairs. The infinite cannot 
associate with the finite; the unconditioned ignores the conditioned 
and the limited. The absolute "Intelligence-Wisdom" cannot act in the 
restricted space of a small globe. It is omnipresent and latent in 
the Kosmos, infinite as itself. We find its only truly active 
manifestation in humanity as a whole, composed as it is of stray 
sparks, finite in their objective duration, eternal in their essence, 
issuing from that Hearth without beginning or end. Therefore, the 
only God whom we should serve is Humanity, and our only cult should 
be the love of our fellow man. Doing evil towards him, we wound God 
and make him suffer. When we deny our brotherly duties and refuse to 
consider a pagan as well as a European as our brother, we deny God. 
This is our religion and our dogmas.

















--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
<christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
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> Yes Cass, but than( after that trillion of years) we may hope that 
> the infinite have taken place over the finite.
> Christina
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
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> > Within a cycle there is Christina - Each Manvantara has its 
Pralaya 
> - so one could argue that infinity resides in pre-pralaya and all 
> else that is a result of it is still finite - even if we are 
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> > From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@>
> > Subject: 1. Maya . 2.Re: Theos-World Re: Our latest news: America 
> run on guns!!!
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Friday, 23 January, 2009, 8:16 AM
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> > As I understand well, if it is to be measured it is finite(Maya) 
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> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Jayananda Hiranandani 
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> > > The root of word maya, is ma (a is long as in father). It means 
> > measure, which makes it finite. In Sindhi, (an Indo-Aryan 
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> > with many Sanskrit words, perhaps 70 per cent), the word for 
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> > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Our latest news: America run on guns!!!
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 10:59 AM
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> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "christinaleestemak er" 
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> > > > Don't worry Adalasie and others.
> > > > All what is infinite is MAYA.
> > > > But I am glad I don't live in America. ( 70 % of the 
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> > > > bought a gun (nov-dec and jan) accept the ones already have 
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> > > > I don't think they use it for hunting on hares!
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> > > > PS Here it is forbidden to have a gun, only policeman may 
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> > > > only use in vital threat
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