Theos-Talk Archives (December 2008 Message tt00409)

Dear friends and Joseph

My views are:

Jospeh asked:
"From that point of view, for the Lucis Trust, and others associated 
with the work of AAB, the conflict is only apparent. Does anyone 
have any evidence of Lucis Trust or any AAB related organization 
actively participating in a partisan political role?"


M. Sufilight says:
I will seek to give you an answer, which later can be expanded upon.
I will tell you that I - because of certain circumstances - some ten years ago were a member of an Alice A. Bailey group, and that I am today banned from some of the Alice A. Bailey forums, perhaps because they do not like me to question the validity of their agendas when compared with H. P. Blavatskys teachings.




>>> Alice A. Bailey wrote the following very political words: <<<


"For the first time in human history, the lines of demarcation between that which is right from the angle of the spiritual values (the essential freedom of the human spirit) and that which is wrong (the imprisonment of the human spirit by materialistic conditions) are clearly perceived by the majority of the nations of the planet. Within the United Nations is the germ and the seed of a great international and meditating, reflective group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray disciples, if you could but realize it, and their point of meditative focus is the intuitional or buddhic plane - the plane upon which all hierarchical activity is today to be found."
[Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol.II, p.220.]
http://nimrodgroup.org/AAB/



We know of the following links and fact about Lucis Trust and its affiliated New Group of World Servers - and World Goodwill and Triangles.

1. Lucis Trust worldwide: http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/worldwide_network
2. Lucis Trust - About God's plan, HIS plan - 10 min. Video.
http://www.lucistrust.org/en/productions/programs_on_youtube

3. Maybe Lucis Trust as an organisation are not directly involved with political issues.
But the fact is that a great number og affiliated groups are so involved. I guess partly due to the unclear position given by Lucis Trust on hoiw it relates to politics - through Alice A. Baileys books. And the unclear communication in the Alice A. Bailey books on whether the focus on politics autght to change or not, when compared to H. P. Blavatsky- TS - and the original stance stance rejection of politics and political involvement.

Her are a number og heavily politically realated groups:

A. - The New Group of World Servers - with hundreds of affiliated groups - some political!
http://www.ngws.org/service/Groups1.htm
Their Newsletter praising The United Nations - http://www.ngws.org/service/newsletter.htm  

B. - Manitou Foundation - afiliated with high level politician MAURICE STRONG and wife.
Maurice Strong was a counsler within the UN Security Counsil and a long time employee within UN. - http://www.manitou.org/MI/mhcp.php 
or http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/mstrong.htm

C. - The Institute for Planetary Synthesis --- Rooster status within UN.
http://www.ipsgeneva.com/angl/aonu.html

D. - World Goodwill - a part of LUCIS TRUST - "The work of World Goodwill is based on the principles of brotherhood, human unity, sharing and cooperation; and on the fundamental rights and freedoms embodied in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights. World Goodwill is a world service organisation practising the principle of non-discrimination in race, religion, ideology, and political and economic convictions. "

"World Goodwill is an accredited non-governmental organisation with the Department of Public Information of the United Nations. It maintains informal relations with certain of the Specialised Agencies and with a wide range of national and international non-governmental organisations. World Goodwill is an activity of the Lucis Trust, which is on the Roster of the United Nations Economic and Social Council. "
http://www.WorldGoodwill.org

Yet - World Goodwill is an organization that claims to be preparing the way for a one-world religion and a one-world government. It maintains headquarters in the cities of New York, London and Geneva. The group publishes literature as well as conducts symposiums related to its goals, which are consistent with those of Lucis Trust. Much of its public literature shows no signs of its occultic background nature, making it the perfect vehicle for attracting into its New Age influence people who would reject overtly religious or occult philosophy. 


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So, if you ask me, Alice A. Bailey and Lucis Trust really have a whole lot to do with spreading political activities within the United Nations, while they await their world Saviour, whom they most often announce by calling Christian names like Christ and HE, to walk about in the flesh. 

And becasue of the content of the Alice A. Bailey books I would challenge any honest Alice A. Bailey supporter to tell me that Lucis Trust are not WAY TOO MUCH accepting all these political AAB groups activties without protesting. And that they accept it - to such an degree, that they find themselves to be a - farce - when they claim to be non-political!

I find it high time, that Lucis Trust became much more honest and compassionate about its real attutide towards political activities and how far it is willing to become affiliated with the United Nations - and its to me - very non-esoterical Security Counsil! - And also their deep-freeze attitudes towards The Middle East. 

- I have never received an clear answer to these issue. Everytime I ask any Alice A. Bailey supporter, they keep their mouths totally shut. - I end up getting the feeling that they are not honest about their mission.

Is any Alice A. Bailey supporter able to help me out?

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H.P. Blavatsky said:
"...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears 
both sides he can hardly come to a correct decision."     H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 218.



M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph P. Fulton 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Questions about ABailey group.


  And in a coda to the last message, I'll have to stand up for AAB in 
  the "non-political" realm. Typically, non-political refers to 
  staying out of partisan political matters, i.e. backing candidates or 
  specific political plans, by either providing monetary or volunteer 
  support directly to these political personages/movements.

  The TS (whatever tradition) organziations can come out abstractly and 
  say that they "support" such and such a position (i.e. opposition to 
  genetically engineered food products), however, unless they are found 
  to actively (as an organization) provide funding or volunteer 
  services then there is no issue.

  From that point of view, for the Lucis Trust, and others associated 
  with the work of AAB, the conflict is only apparent. Does anyone 
  have any evidence of Lucis Trust or any AAB related organization 
  actively participating in a partisan political role?

  A quick perusal of their IRS Form 990 for 2006 reveals nothing 
  reported out of line regarding "political" work. They have to reveal 
  that kind of stuff or their ~$1.2MM in assets become taxable pretty 
  quickly.

  Joe

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
  <christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
  >
  > Because HPB wrote for other public and used too much history.
  > Christina
  > 
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  > 
  > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  > theosophy@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Dear Christina
  > > 
  > > My views are:
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Christina wrote:
  > > "Than I think Alice A Bailey has different way in teaching , more 
  > to 
  > > the point."
  > > 
  > > M. Sufilight:
  > > May I politely ask: - In what manner do you find H. P. Blavatsky 
  > not being to the point compared with Alice A. Bailey? 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > M. Sufilight
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: christinaleestemaker 
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:14 PM
  > > Subject: Theos-World Questions about ABailey group.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > They are political in this case : round 2000 they give all the 
  > books 
  > > free to download on internet and later in this millenium 
  totally 
  > not 
  > > one.
  > > While Theosophical literature was not able on internet during a 
  > lot 
  > > of years and now TS; especially America gives a lot for free.
  > > So who is better?
  > > There can be made enough money on lectures, seminars and 
  > courses.And 
  > > not to forget people stay buying the books.Especially in 
  > > courses.Nobody goes with his laptop into course.
  > > And I think it is very important to keep as much as books of 
  > > references online too.
  > > I have for example Collected writitng on CD, but easier if I 
  need 
  > > some references to look at the internet version.Also it is good 
  > to 
  > > have the CD near it, for what now is on-line can be away next 
  > year.
  > > 
  > > Than I think Alice A Bailey has different way in teaching , 
  more 
  > to 
  > > the point.Not whole stories round a subject,where people need 
  to 
  > fly 
  > > over.
  > > But that is my opinion and experiences.
  > > Christina
  > > 
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
  <global-
  > > theosophy@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > Dear friends
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > My vieus are:
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > Is the Alice A. Bailey groups and LUCIS TRUST really non-
  > political?
  > > > AND is this coinciding with H. P. Blavatsky's and H. S. 
  > Olcott's 
  > > teachings?
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 1.
  > > > At the front page on the LUCIS TRUST hompage - The Alice A. 
  > Bailey 
  > > groups main website if any we find that the claim to be a non-
  > > political group:
  > > > 
  > > > LUCIS TRUST
  > > > The worldwide activities of the Lucis Trust, founded by Alice 
  > and 
  > > Foster Bailey, are dedicated to establishing right human 
  > relations.
  > > > 
  > > > The activities of the Lucis Trust promote the education of 
  the 
  > > human mind towards recognition and practice of the spiritual 
  > > principles and values upon which a stable and interdependent 
  > world 
  > > society may be based. The Lucis Trust is non-political and non-
  > > sectarian. It sponsors no special creed or dogma. 
  > > > http://www.lucistrust.org/
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 2.
  > > > Seven years after the birth of the U.N., a book was published 
  > by 
  > > the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, 
  > > claiming that,
  > > > 
  > > > "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the 
  needed 
  > > receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be 
  seen 
  > in 
  > > the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the 
  > United 
  > > Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of 
  this 
  > un-
  > > foldment, three occult factors have governed the development of 
  > all 
  > > these plans".
  > > > 
  > > > [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 
  > > 1955), Vol.II, p.35.]
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 
  > > 'three occult factors', she did reveal to her students that,
  > > > 
  > > > "Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great 
  > > international and meditating, reflective group - a group of 
  > thinking 
  > > and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of 
  > > humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray 
  > > disciples, if you could but realize it, and their point of 
  > meditative 
  > > focus is the intuitional or buddhic plane - the plane upon 
  which 
  > all 
  > > hierarchical activity is today to be found".
  > > > 
  > > > [Ibid., p.220.]
  > > > 
  > > > To this end, the Lucis Trust (formerly known as the Lucifer 
  > Trust), 
  > > under the leadership of Foster and Alice Bailey, started a 
  group 
  > > called 'World Goodwill' - an official Non-Governmental 
  > Organization 
  > > within the United Nations. The stated aim of this group is "to 
  > > cooperate in the world of preparation for the reappearance of 
  the 
  > > Christ" [One Earth, the magazine of the Findhorn Foundation, 
  > October/
  > > November 1986, Vol. 6, Issue 6, p.24.] 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > - - - 
  > > > 
  > > > Now, I would really like to know, what your answer is?
  > > > If not, I ask why not?
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > M. Sufilight
  > > > 
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