Theos-Talk Archives (December 2008 Message tt00406)

And in a coda to the last message, I'll have to stand up for AAB in 
the "non-political" realm.  Typically, non-political refers to 
staying out of partisan political matters, i.e. backing candidates or 
specific political plans, by either providing monetary or volunteer 
support directly to these political personages/movements.

The TS (whatever tradition) organziations can come out abstractly and 
say that they "support" such and such a position (i.e. opposition to 
genetically engineered food products), however, unless they are found 
to actively (as an organization) provide funding or volunteer 
services then there is no issue.

>From that point of view, for the Lucis Trust, and others associated 
with the work of AAB, the conflict is only apparent.  Does anyone 
have any evidence of Lucis Trust or any AAB related organization 
actively participating in a partisan political role?

A quick perusal of their IRS Form 990 for 2006 reveals nothing 
reported out of line regarding "political" work.  They have to reveal 
that kind of stuff or their ~$1.2MM in assets become taxable pretty 
quickly.

Joe


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
<christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
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> Because HPB wrote for other public and used too much history.
> Christina
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> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
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> > Dear Christina
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> > My views are:
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> > Christina wrote:
> > "Than I think Alice A Bailey has different way in teaching , more 
> to 
> > the point."
> > 
> > M. Sufilight:
> > May I politely ask: - In what manner do you find H. P. Blavatsky 
> not being to the point compared with Alice A. Bailey? 
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> > M. Sufilight
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> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:14 PM
> >   Subject: Theos-World Questions about ABailey group.
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> >   They are political in this case : round 2000 they give all the 
> books 
> >   free to download on internet and later in this millenium 
totally 
> not 
> >   one.
> >   While Theosophical literature was not able on internet during a 
> lot 
> >   of years and now TS; especially America gives a lot for free.
> >   So who is better?
> >   There can be made enough money on lectures, seminars and 
> courses.And 
> >   not to forget people stay buying the books.Especially in 
> >   courses.Nobody goes with his laptop into course.
> >   And I think it is very important to keep as much as books of 
> >   references online too.
> >   I have for example Collected writitng on CD, but easier if I 
need 
> >   some references to look at the internet version.Also it is good 
> to 
> >   have the CD near it, for what now is on-line can be away next 
> year.
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> >   Than I think Alice A Bailey has different way in teaching , 
more 
> to 
> >   the point.Not whole stories round a subject,where people need 
to 
> fly 
> >   over.
> >   But that is my opinion and experiences.
> >   Christina
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> >   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
> >   theosophy@> wrote:
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> >   > Dear friends
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> >   > My vieus are:
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> >   > Is the Alice A. Bailey groups and LUCIS TRUST really non-
> political?
> >   > AND is this coinciding with H. P. Blavatsky's and H. S. 
> Olcott's 
> >   teachings?
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> >   > 1.
> >   > At the front page on the LUCIS TRUST hompage - The Alice A. 
> Bailey 
> >   groups main website if any we find that the claim to be a non-
> >   political group:
> >   > 
> >   > LUCIS TRUST
> >   > The worldwide activities of the Lucis Trust, founded by Alice 
> and 
> >   Foster Bailey, are dedicated to establishing right human 
> relations.
> >   > 
> >   > The activities of the Lucis Trust promote the education of 
the 
> >   human mind towards recognition and practice of the spiritual 
> >   principles and values upon which a stable and interdependent 
> world 
> >   society may be based. The Lucis Trust is non-political and non-
> >   sectarian. It sponsors no special creed or dogma. 
> >   > http://www.lucistrust.org/
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > 2.
> >   > Seven years after the birth of the U.N., a book was published 
> by 
> >   the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, 
> >   claiming that,
> >   > 
> >   > "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the 
needed 
> >   receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be 
seen 
> in 
> >   the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the 
> United 
> >   Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of 
this 
> un-
> >   foldment, three occult factors have governed the development of 
> all 
> >   these plans".
> >   > 
> >   > [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 
> >   1955), Vol.II, p.35.]
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 
> >   'three occult factors', she did reveal to her students that,
> >   > 
> >   > "Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great 
> >   international and meditating, reflective group - a group of 
> thinking 
> >   and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of 
> >   humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray 
> >   disciples, if you could but realize it, and their point of 
> meditative 
> >   focus is the intuitional or buddhic plane - the plane upon 
which 
> all 
> >   hierarchical activity is today to be found".
> >   > 
> >   > [Ibid., p.220.]
> >   > 
> >   > To this end, the Lucis Trust (formerly known as the Lucifer 
> Trust), 
> >   under the leadership of Foster and Alice Bailey, started a 
group 
> >   called 'World Goodwill' - an official Non-Governmental 
> Organization 
> >   within the United Nations. The stated aim of this group is "to 
> >   cooperate in the world of preparation for the reappearance of 
the 
> >   Christ" [One Earth, the magazine of the Findhorn Foundation, 
> October/
> >   November 1986, Vol. 6, Issue 6, p.24.] 
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> >   > Now, I would really like to know, what your answer is?
> >   > If not, I ask why not?
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> >   > M. Sufilight
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