Theos-Talk Archives (December 2008 Message tt00351)

Christina,
   I posted a reference to Meads Book "Did Jesus Live 100 B. C.?" I don't have any problem with the 100 B.C. date. I said and mead said that the Joshua ben Pandira (Joshua born of the Panther) was a Roman ridicule of the Jesus Movement and a fallacious story.

Regards,
John

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From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> 
HPB in Collected writings on Jesus lived around 100 B.C., IV 362, 
603; VI

238; VIII 189 fn., 224,

362 & fn. (380-82 fn.); IX 204 (226

Christina

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Sure.
> 
> John wrote:
> "G. R. S. Mead in his survey says it is invalid and was created for 
the 
> purpose of ridiclue."
> 
> Did H. P. Blavatsky state this view anywhere? Did she not state the 
quite 
> opposite and said that it was a - fact - that Jesus (Joshua 
Pandira) was 
> born appr. 120 BC.?
> 
> Mead was not on the same level as H. P. Blavatsky. Some persons are 
looking 
> at the Akasha records instead. And their views are not quite the 
same as G. 
> R. S. Mead's wellmeant friendly scholary ideas and angles.
> 
> ---
> 
> Let us at least remember David Pratt's articles on Jesus and the 
gospels. 
> They have some interesting and valid content.
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm (On Jesus)
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/christian.htm (On the 
Gospels)
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Augoeides-222@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> 
> 
> Morten,
> You seem attached to the Joshua ben Pandera abusive Roman 
ridicule for 
> some reason. G. R. S. Mead in his survey says it is invalid and was 
created 
> for the purpose of ridiclue. Their version of Joshua ben Pandera 
( a 
> fallacious, false name is that a Roman Centurian had sex with a 
whore who 
> conceived and birthed the Christ Child.In that time it was a 
malicious rumor 
> used to smear, ridicule and make nothing of this upstart religion 
of the 
> early Christians. There are no tangible credible records of the 
Romans in 
> regard to Jesus of Nazareth. G. R. S. Mead also wrote "Did Jesus 
Live 100 
> B.C.". An inquiry into the Talmudic Jesus stories, the Toldoth 
Jeschu, and 
> some curious statements of Epiphanius--- being a contribution to 
the study 
> of Christian Origins by G.R.S. Mead B .A. M.R.A.S., 1903.
> 
> Also I recommend his "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten" an 
indispensable 
> survey recommended by all Religious Scholars , Library of Congress 
# 
> 60-15310.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
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> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...>
> Allright.
> Jesus (Jehosua Pandira) was mortal, and Christ was and is not.
> I think I got it now.
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Cass Silva
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> 
> Calleman is saying that the date is 28 October 2011
> Cass
> http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/2012/id/1726
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2008 4:57:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> 
> Is there anyone who can help me out, and who understands Christina 
words in 
> this thread?
> 
> M. Sufillight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: christinaleestemake r
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> 
> If you and you think for others, don't understand me; While you 
don't
> understand what masters say on it.That are not my words, I only
> citate them.
> Christina
> 
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@ .> wrote:
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > Yes?
> > And then what?
> >
> > ---
> > I am not sure I and others understand you.
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: christinaleestemake r
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> >
> >
> > Ok as I read in Mahatma Letters, Jesus as mortal like anyone of
> us,
> > an adept more by his inherent purity and ignorance of real evil,
> > than by what he have learned with his initiated rabbis and the
> > already (at that period) fast degenerating Eyptian Hierophants
> and
> > priests. etc
> > Letter 59 page 339 Barkers edition 1979
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > The "darkness" mentioned by Blavatsky is about when Jesus
> (Joshua
> > Pandira) was born and when he taught. Today the Christian Church
> is,
> > as far as I view it, still in darkness, and a number of those who
> > call themselves filled with wisdom are also in darkness, because
> they
> > find the Bible to be infallible.
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: christinaleestemake r
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> > >
> > >
> > > So what after 33 years? If 1-33 is darkness, is not the whole
> > > darkness?
> > > Christina
> > >
> > > /
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear friends
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > Blavatsky and Master said that Jesus was born in Lod (Lydda)
> > year
> > > 120 BC.
> > > >
> > > > W. C. Leadbeater and Annie Besant said 105 BC. And Alice A.
> > Bailey
> > > wrote a book titled "From Bethlehem to Calvary" saying in this
> > book,
> > > that "the historical accuracy of His story remains as yet
> > unsolved"
> > > and "for when He was born at Bethlehem, it was not simply the
> > birth
> > > of another divine Teacher and Messenger" .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now who is telling the truth?
> > > >
> > > > - - -
> > > >
> > > > H. P. Blavatsky on the New Testament and Jesus:
> > > > "This theory of the seven keys, the Church, according to the
> > Abbé
> > > Roca, has simplified "without disfiguring it," reducing the
> keys
> > to
> > > three; while, on the contrary, it has fabricated three false
> keys
> > > which do not open anything. The legend of which I speak is
> > founded,
> > > as I have demonstrated over and over again in my writings and
> my
> > > notes, on the existence of a personage called Jehoshua (from
> > which
> > > Jesus has been made) born at Lüd or Lydda about 120 years
> before
> > the
> > > modern era. And if this fact is denied-to which I can hardly
> > object-
> > > one must resign oneself to regard the hero of the drama of
> > Calvary as
> > > a myth pure and simple. As a matter of fact, in spite of all
> the
> > > desperate research made during long centuries, if we set aside
> > the
> > > testimony of the "Evangelists, " i.e., unknown men whose
> identity
> > has
> > > never been established, and that of the Fathers of the Church,
> > > interested fanatics, neither history, nor profane tradition,
> > neither
> > > official documents, nor the contemporaries of the soi-disant
> > drama,
> > > are able to provide one single serious proof of the historical
> > and
> > > real existence, not only of the Man-God but even of him called
> > Jesus
> > > of Nazareth, from the year 1 to the year 33. All is darkness
> and
> > > silence."
> > > > (H. P. Blavatsly's Collected Writings, vol. 9, p. 225-6).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: christinaleestemake r
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:31 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Right, no one can be sure, for we have not been in the time
> > Jezus
> > > was
> > > > born.It was written that he was there long before the
> counting
> > > > started in the year 1 from our calender
> > > >
> > > > Christina
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure what you are getting at Christina
> > > > > Cass
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 10:03:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World 2012 ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I read somewhere Leon wrote to Cass the change in 2012 but
> we
> > > must
> > > > > not forget that our beginning of yearcounting happened 7
> > years
> > > > after
> > > > > Jezus birthday.
> > > > > Christina
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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