Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00529)

Maybe you mean Moksha?
Erica




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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:28:51 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Some thoughts on the situation of Tibet


Morten,
The tradition of Moskva is ancient Hindu and long before there was any Russia or Moscow by more than 4000 years lol! I agree it strikes the mind as "Moscow" if one is not familiar. Moskva means "Liberation" . 
Another interesting word from Hindu is "Svar"  (Svarupa) it is found in several forms, but in the stream of time it's permutative presence is also found in many prominent cultures. Such as:
Caesar--- Rome
Czar ----Russia
Kaiser---Germany

Regards,
John

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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> 
LOL
Thanks, that touched my heart.
In my country the word "moskva" is the same as the capitol in Russia.
I was flat on the floor laughing with tears and all.

But allright.
Carry on.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Augoeides-222@ comcast.net 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Some thoughts on the situation of Tibet

Richard,
>>> The thought that in order for anyone to be freed from the wheel 
everyone must be freed from it according to the Mahayana school.<<<

I don't know where you got that view. The Mahayana also speaks of Pratyeka Buddha's who individually obtain moskva by not becoming Bodhisattva. There are also I believe several other unique individual conditionals that also allow Moscva before all others. The Vow of the Bodhisattva "return" is standard in both lay and left home in Mahayana. Hinayana has view of each person is on the gradual path and they don't have the Bodhisattva Tradition as the sudden school of Mahayana. In the Theosophical teaching the "return" is ingrained for us and is described as the "Selfless Service to Mankind" that dictates our choice option as the ideal in the samsaric journey. The Mahayana is called Sudden School and the Greater Vehicle and the Hinayana is called the Gradual School and the lesser Vehicle.

I think people are forced to become apologists in many cases due to existential investment even when the reality is markedly removed from their cherished agreements. 

It seems everyone is in some form of denial in regards to the Tashi lama. My earlier point is made.

Regards,
John

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From: "Richard Semock" <semockr@hotmail. com> 
The number of times that this job has been finished in all the rounds 
and races is countless times, check it out in the akashic records if 
you dont believe me. The Dalai Lama knows this and sees the cosmic 
joke in it.

The thought that in order for anyone to be freed from the wheel 
everyone must be freed from it according to the mahayana school. The 
hinayana school on the other hand believes that we can free ourselves 
from the rounds and if we return as a bodhisattva to save others it 
is by our own choice.

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Drpsionic@.. . wrote:
>
> The Chinese would love nothing more than that surprise. It will 
allow them 
> to finish the job.
> 
> For all it's geographic area, Tibet is a land of no strategic or 
economic 
> interest to any Western power. India may feel differently but how 
differently 
> is a question.
> 
> Chuck the Heretic
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/28/2008 10:55:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> prmoliveira@ ... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-
talk@yahoogroups. com) , 
> Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@ ele> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear friends,
> > 
> > Its very sad the position Dalai Lama was placed by China and the 
> horrible lies and accusations perpetuated by the chinese against 
the 
> Dalai Lama. China also keeps on with their claims about the Indian 
> territory Arunachal Pradesh. The Chinese are pressing the Indian 
> government to not recognize any valid government of Tibet in Exile. 
> As the situation gets worst, China reinforces the tension with the 
> claim that states of Arunachal Pradesh used to belong to Tibet and 
as 
> so belong to China.
> > 
> > We know the Chinese government has a strong campaign against 
> anything related to Tibetan Buddhism and to Dalai Lama. Chineses 
> working for the Chinese government are to be found everywhere in 
the 
> internet, and are the very first to make such kind of attacks. 
China 
> is becoming more agressive with its politics and if other nations 
do 
> not raise their voice against it, things promisses to get worst. 
> Unfortunatly on 15 of November the British Chief Minister 
recognized 
> the Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. 
> > 
> > Recently the Dalai Lama made the following statements:
> > 
> > "My trust in the Chinese
> > government has become thinner, thinner, thinner," 
> > "Suppression
> > is increasing and I cannot pretend that everything is OK."
> > "I
> > have to accept failure. Meantime among Tibetans in recent years, 
our
> > approach failed to bring positive change inside Tibet, so 
criticism 
> has
> > also increased."
> > 
> > Recently I've joined a group in google, dedicated to 
the "Buddha" 
> boy, more out
> > of curiosity to follow what is happening and what will be the 
final
> > result of it. Their web-site was hacked yesterday, and a person 
made
> > the following post: "Thank you to have allowed me to take your 
land 
> and
> > rape your women." I've also read uncountable articles in 
different 
> blogs of anonymous persons defending China and making horrible 
> accusations against the Dalai Lama and Tibet. The Chinese 
aggressive 
> approach is not only centered on Tibet but underground they also 
> work against Tibetan Buddhism. I am afraid that pretty soon the 
> Chinese claims over Indian Territories will also increase. 
> > 
> > Some leaders must assume a very strong position against China 
> claims and policies. Otherwise we shall soon witness much worst 
> things happening.
> 
> Dear Erica,
> 
> The genocide of Tibetan people perpetrated by Communist China for 
> more than 50 years is a very clear evidence that for the Western 
> liberal democracies, led by the EU and the US, "human rights" is a 
> nothing but a useful political slogan which serves to deflect 
> attention from the fundamental fact that the 1.3 billion strong 
> Chinese market is inded the central interest of the "freedom-
loving" 
> nations. 
> 
> Call me a skeptic if you want, but I am convinced that not even 
> Barack Obama would have the guts (or the interest) to take on 
China 
> on the issue of Tibet. 
> 
> Western liberal democracies continue to have blood on their hands. 
> Every time they renew their "Most favoured nation status" with 
China 
> they do so on the background of torture, killing and raping of 
many 
> Tibetan Buddhist nuns, as well as of monks and activists. They 
have 
> condoned and continue to condone one of the most brutal political 
> regimes in modern history. And they know it.
> 
> When the Dalai Lama officially announced that he had given up on 
> negotiating with China he was just being honest. You can't 
negotiate 
> with people that do not take you seriously.
> 
> The Chinese government may soon have a surprise in their hands 
when 
> the more radical wings of the Tibetan movement call for full 
> independence from China, instead of autonomy, and takes the 
struggle 
> to a new political level, in which nothing is excluded.
> 
> So far for Tibet and the Tibetans Kali Yuga has won. So far.
> 
> Pedro 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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