Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00502)

On Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:47 am ((PST)) "Chris King"  
chris@sexualparadox.org dhushara wrote:
>
> Leon,
>
> I like your posting, and I like the initial development of the whole
> thesis, but I'm not sure about spiritual or astral planes influencing
> evolution except in so far as we change the course of fertilization,
> reproduction and a degree of genetic engineering. My consciousness
> can alter genetics but it does it principally by fathering and by
> gardening and animal husbandry.  If this is done with spiritual
> enlightenment, we may be able to give rise to a sustainable future.
> That's the test. It/s conservation that's needed here, rather than
> contemplation.  THis is where I part company with Buddhism as fellow
> travelers.

Perhaps, you don't yet fully understand that the universe is a  
hologram, and that IT and every form in it fundamentally arises out  
of a zero-point singularity... As an analogous fractal involution of  
spherical energy fields descending in four levels of frequency phase  
orders... The highest, being the spiritual realm, and the lowest, the  
physical/material realm... With the mental and astral realms in  
between. See: http://tinyurl.com/5ryst9

In addition, consciousness (awareness, will, etc.) is at the  
stationary zero-point center of origin of each of those fields.   
Since the fields carry the structural information of everything as  
modulated wave interference patterns on their surfaces, and since  
these fields are electrodynamic in nature, the information they carry  
can be transformed from one field to another by phase conjugate  
adaptive resonance processes.  This is the basis of morphic  
resonance, and explains how the astral images can be driven by the  
mental images and subsequently influence the physical images -- which  
in turn transforms the physical beings.

The teachers of esoteric Buddhism, all know of this hierarchical  
holographic nature of the universe and its analogous relationship to  
the holographic nature of the genes that carry the entire protein  
structure of the entire body encoded in every cell.

Just as the information of the entire universe is stored in the spin  
momentum of every zero-point singularity located everywhere -- the  
DNA similarly replicates itself in every cell of every sentient  
being.  So, the only future we are talking about is the evolutionary  
future of those beings (with Mankind at its peak) and their  
individual and collective conscious influence on the future of the  
world.

Thus, it's perfectly reasonable that mind, acting through the astral  
medium, informed by the spiritual memory and empowered by conscious  
will, concentrated on all levels, can influence the DNA and thus, the  
evolution on the physical level. This also applies to our spiritual  
awareness and our recognition of its power in changing the future of  
the world -- by cooperative conservation, alternative energy, and  
other means of reversing pollution, etc.... One such cooperation  
being to end consumerism, and as John Lennon said, "Give peace a  
chance."   But that would mean enough people would have to give up  
their wrong views and take on the true views that we are all one,  
everything is interconnected, and as we all think and will our world  
to be, so it will become -- assisted by morphic resonance between us  
leading to cooperative action in the same direction.

Unfortunately, on this lower physical/material plane, that we are  
deluded into thinking is the only reality -- language predominates  
over morphic resonance in initiating global change.  So, we'd better  
not rely on morphic resonance to align our minds and actions toward  
achieving a common goal. ;-)

> Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance doesn't really solve the
> problem. I had a discussion with him about it and then found he
> started to pick up on what I'd told him later.  Essentially the
> problem with morphic resonance is it doesn't explain how anything new
> happens. It just says advances in thinking might resonate for
> unexplained reasons or through quantum entanglement with other
> people, systems whatever that already possess these properties.

Because the morphic transformations are initially driven by the  
mental images, and the mind field coupled with the astral field is  
the seat of the imagination -- that,in turn is observed and  
controlled by all knowing spiritual consciousness -- morphic  
resonance, driven by right ideas in all our imaginative minds, may be  
the only way (provided the spiritual consciousness is awakened) that  
the problems of the future could possibly be solved without trying to  
talk people into it individually.  The real problem, however, is the  
ignorance of the masses with respect to their common psychic powers  
of mind and thought -- that, if aligned properly and focussed on  
commonly desired change, can make it happen.
>
> The trouble is this does''t explain how anyone got the properties in
> the first place, so it fudges the creative question with a mere
> spatial transference.  The critical thing is anticipating change and
> bringing it about creatively. This is an interaction between past and
> future in which past doesn't have the defining boundary conditions to
> be able to do it on its own.

Sure.  But, the properties could easily come through the random  
mutation that finds its model on the higher order planetary or solar  
fields of consciousness... Or be initiated by that higher order  
consciousness experimentally.  Once such mutation is initiated and  
successfully established genetically and beneficially, morphic  
resonance takes over and punctuated evolution appears to occur more  
or less simultaneously and spontaneously over vast populations having  
the same general environment.
>
> So its a future past thing which is where parallel universes and
> transactions come in.

According to my ABC mode, parallel universes are simply multiple  
universes forming out of absolute space on different coordinate  
spherical axes of fundamental spin momentum.  These universes, cannot  
communicate between each other -- since their information is  
vibrating on entirely different angles of absolute space.  Much like  
multiple solid holograms can only be separately resolved and seen  
from their individual angles of origin. Thus there can be no  
transaction between parallel universes.
>
> I have immense trouble with defining spiritual realms like astral
> levels because it is essentially like the old idea of the seventh
> heaven and the seven layers of hell. I don't believe the inner
> conscious realm is structured in this way and that its a false
> analogy from the physical world.  Why a layered spatial
> configuration?  Dreams are capable of being much wilder than this.
> Conscious reality is very non-ordinary physically. If we can defy
> gravity in our dreams, none of the myths of force energy or momentum
> hold true. Neither do fields or layered astral realms.  We could be
> in the middle of imagining such a structure and find it was all a  
> dream.

Refer to what I said above, and study the rationale and  
illustrations** explaining the ABC holographic fractal involved field  
theory of cosmogenesis at: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13  The  
mystic number seven stems from the octaval repeat of the initial  
fractal involved series of harmonic fields at the third iteration or  
3rd logos.  Thus, if you study the first diagram of cosmogenesis  
below, you will note the upper and lower seven fold inner fields of  
the total 14 fractal involved fields.  In the first "cosmogenesis"  
chapter of the "Book of Dzyan" (Zen, Dhyan, Chan) in the ancient  
"Book of the Golden Precepts" -- written ages before the I-Ching --  
it says, "The three, the one, the four, the one, five, the twice  
seven, the sum total".  Note that the numbers correspond to the first  
five digits of the Pi series. (Although, I don't know if this is  
significant.) \

As for defying gravity in dreams... Dreams are simply self-created  
images in the higher order fields of consciousness on the astral  
hyperspace level of overall spacetime -- where the gravity on the  
lower order physical space does not apply. (And neither does physical  
time, BTW)... Since the astral field or realm is where our  
imagination links with the higher order mind-memory fields -- some of  
which, at the highest orders contain remnants of our past life and  
archetypal memories.

Its easy, then, to imagine walking on water, flying, battling demons,  
being killed without dying, etc., etc.  Just as it's easy to imagine  
how the universe actually works -- like Einstein imagined relativity,  
curved space, gravity as a push instead of a pull, light as quanta  
and wave simultaneously, the energy-mass equivalence, etc. -- and as  
I first imagined the entire universe spirally and fractally  
compressing into a single zero-point of infinite mass-energy (G-force  
spin momentum) and zero dimension.

 From there, it was easy to imagine how the universe could expand  
globally while locally contracting and compacting into what we have  
all around and in us, NOW.   When I saw in my imagination (in a "mind  
experiment" as Einstein called it) the exact correlations with  
relativity, quantum, string/M, holographic paradigm theories, along  
with Maxwell's and Schrödinger's electrodynamics and field equations  
-- was the moment I could shout "Eureka." :-)  It was then I knew how  
true was Einstein's statement that "Imagination is more important  
than knowledge."

illustrations**
http://tinyurl.com/5ryst9
http://tinyurl.com/5ogqn5
http://tinyurl.com/65o5ha
http://tinyurl.com/623pdz
http://tinyurl.com/6nwp94

Leon


> Chris
>

> From: Leon Maurer <LeonMaurer@aol.com>
> Date: November 23, 2008 2:41:19 AM EST
> Subject: Re: [WEDconsc] into the Aztec future again
>
> There may be an infinite number of possible future histories.  But  
> since the "Now" is all that exists at any moment in time, they can  
> only be  completely indeterminate potentialities. without any  
> existence. until they happen by direct sequential and accumulative  
> cause and effect from moment to moment.
>
> The present is the finished book of the past. The present is also  
> the beginning of the book of the future.  And, as the Buddha said,  
> "Everything we are (and possibly everything that is) are the  
> results of what we have thought' And. "Everything we (and all else)  
> will become, is based on what we are thinking now."  This sounds  
> quite plausible to me -- since thoughts are the initiators of  
> action. and nothing can be created without prior thought (no matter  
> how far in the past that thought occurred).
>
> Since our individual thinking is each different and unpredictable  
> from moment to moment, the overall future of everything is,  
> thereby, indeterminate.  But, we each can determine our own  
> individual future depending on the strength of our will, our  
> ability to focus our conscious attention, and our degree of  
> intelligence, wisdom and knowledge -- limited by, besides acts of  
> nature and illness of one kind or another, the unpredictability of  
> all other's thoughts and their resultant actions, that could cause  
> our circumstances to change beyond our control.
>
> If all that is true, the most likely conclusion is that  
> consciousness (at all levels of subjective function) must be the  
> initiator of all thoughts and actions, and, thereby, is the  
> fundamental cause of everything that occurs or exists, past present  
> and future.  And, this would seemingly apply to the generation,  
> involution and evolution of the cosmos itself... Since nothing can  
> happen or arise, at any time, out of anything or any ground,  
> without an immediate and identifiable cause... Even if that first  
> cause is an immaterial or insubstantial quality of unconditioned  
> absolute space itself... Which must exist in reality (if anything  
> substantial is to exit at all) as an unconditioned, all present,  
> potentially infinitely energetic, latent foundational ground of  
> everything...
>
> Since, it's obvious that nothing can stand alone or exist in empty  
> space without that space "singularity" itself (whatever it is) to  
> generate, energize and continuously support it -- it also follows  
> that potential consciousness must be an integral quality of that  
> primal space prior to cosmogenesis.  This would be required in  
> order to willfully initiate the impulse to eject, at near infinite  
> velocity, the first 1d ray of primal force that weaves the first 4d  
> hyperspherical (hyperspace-time) field of cosmogenesis.
>
> Obviously, as Pythagorus, Plato and the Buddha said, "Nothing can  
> come from nothing"... So, that initial  "something" could just  
> appear as "nothing" simply because it os empty of all form and  
> totally unconditioned from a physical world POV -- although  
> infinitely forceful and potentially near infinitely energetic from  
> a spiritually cosmic POV.  Thus, Krishna said in the Bhagavad Gita,  
> "I create this entire world with one small part of myself, yet  
> remain separate (and undiminished)."  Krishna, of course,  
> representing metaphorically, the consciousness and infinite spin  
> momentum of primal space -- the potential source of infinite worlds  
> or universes -- each spinning on three of its infinite potential  
> perpendicular axes.
>
> Thus. observer or access-consciousness (potential awareness, will,  
> qualia, etc.) is apparently ubiquitous everywhere throughout total  
> or metaphysical and physical space... and becomes p-consciousness  
> (as we experience it) whenever there is a suitable sentient being  
> to act as its vehicle. Thus, all forms of matter are potentially p- 
> conscious -- in varying degrees, depending on their neural or  
> electrochemical complexity, along with their accompanying field of  
> mind... Acting as an intermediate modifiable media of information  
> between perceptive awareness-will, and memory, brain, body, senses  
> and surrounding world. This qualitative root of subjective  
> awareness and will can act either consciously, subconsciously or  
> unconsciously through whatever organism it observes and willfully  
> controls from its source at the center of the overall, highest  
> frequency energy order coenergetic field permeating and surrounding  
> that organism. (See the human chakra field diagram at: http:// 
> tinyurl.com/623pdz )
>
> It's obvious from all this, that QM, and all its interpretations --  
> by leaving consciousness, and its causative interaction with  
> matter, out of all their equations -- can have no basis in actual  
> reality... Other than mathematically describing its physical  
> properties and dynamics...
>
> Therefore, it cannot be used to make any assumptions about the  
> past, present or future ... And, there can only be ONE determinate  
> past, ONE experienced present, and ONE unpredictable future... All,  
> determined by the accumulated conscious (and unconscious) actions  
> of everyone and everything, from moment to moment, on each and all  
> levels of their fields of consciousness -- whether spiritual,  
> mental astral or physical (which latter lowest order condition of  
> "total space" is the only relative aspect accessible to the  
> conventional scientific method).
>
> This principle of the eternal "Now" containing past, present and  
> future as a instantaneous whole, would apply to all individual and  
> collective local histories, as well as universal histories -- all  
> of them rooted in the cycle of spin momentum located at every  
> "singularity" source of each sentient being -- whose  
> intercommunication on their higher and lower order fields of  
> consciousness would appear to be essentially holographic through  
> entanglement of all zero-point centers of consciousness within (and  
> possibly between on their higher order fields) each organism --  
> including the overall cosmos -- whose collective lines of force  
> fields between all its interconnected galaxies and stars, would  
> seem to constitute its proto-neurology.
>
> The rationale for all this is that -- since the present is the last  
> moment of the past, and the future is the next moment of the  
> present, there can only be one past, present and future occurring  
> simultaneously in each "Now" cycle of the ultimate division of time  
> on each of the four planes or dimensions of overall reality.  IOW,  
> all past, and future reality is pre-determinatively present in the  
> zero-point-instant "now" cycle of change on each frequency energy  
> phase order of fundamental reality...  With our physical space time  
> being only that aspect of total space we ordinarily experience  
> relative to our physical bodily existence.  Although, consciousness  
> being ubiquitous, we can experience continuusly varying altered  
> states of consciousness as we concentrate and shift our attention  
> to the higher order fields during meditation, when all stray  
> thoughts are eliminated and the outer senses blocked (or  
> unconsciously during sleep when the outer senses lie dormant).
>
> We might also consider that the highest order astral, mental and  
> spiritual fields of consciousness have a relative time cycle or  
> frequency spectrum at least one order greater than that of the  
> metric physical fields.  Thus, as the ancient Chinese philosophers  
> (who designed the I-Ching) noted -- the future of corresponding  
> evolutionary change on the spiritual level could occur long before  
> it happens on the physical/material plane.  This information,  
> transmitted through coenergetic morphogenetic fields, could be how  
> evolution on the physical level is guided -- as hypothesized by  
> Rupert Sheldrake in his book: "A New Science of Life."
>
> Accordingly, it could very well be possible, then, that on the even  
> higher cosmic spiritual plane (vibrating at a near infinite time  
> cycle frequency) -- the entire future of the physical/material  
> cosmos has already occurred.
>
> So, perhaps the ancient occult catechisms that "The microcosm is  
> the mirror of the macrocosm" and "As above, so below" -- are  
> referring to this aspect of fundamental realty...  Which,  
> incidentally, seems to perfectly conform with the original (un- 
> renormalized) equations of general relativity, as well as with the  
> multidimensional hyperspace fields of string and M theories...  
> While also predicting the holographic nature of all reality.
>
> Incidentally, while I've taken pains to make these ideas as simply  
> understandable as possible, I don't expect anyone to completely  
> comprehend it all without concentrated study and meditation, using  
> one's imagination, on the word pictures I've attempted to paint  
> here, as well as illustrate in my outline of the ABC model of  
> cosmogenesis posted at the web site below.
>
> I welcome all comments, pro or con, provided they are presented  
> clearly and logically.
>
> Best wishes.
> Leon Maurer
> http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13
> "Note:  This canonizer topic site enables us to directly compare  
> theories and models of consciousness and its interconnections with  
> mind, memory, brain, body, senses, etc..  If you agree with the ABC  
> theory of cosmogenesis -- postulating consciousness as an a priori  
> quality of ubiquitous absolute space (or any other reasonable  
> theory) please feel free to sign on to add your support or, if you  
> have anything to add or contribute to the topic, open a new sub- 
> camp statement."
>
> On Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:57 pm ((PST)) "richard ruquist"  
> yanniru@yahoo.com yanniru wrote:
>
>
> Does the Many Histories QM interpretation follow from the Many  
> Futures interpretation.
>
> OTOH, if there is one past, then only one of the many futures is  
> selected.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Chris King <chris@sexualparadox.org> wrote:
>
> From: Chris King <chris@sexualparadox.org>
> Subject: [WEDconsc] into the Aztec future again ...
> To: WEDconscious@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 6:35 PM
>
>
>
> Chris King
>
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