Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00464)

John
 
If I understood good, is the second "I am" In the "I am, That, I am" which becomes involve in karma, would I be right if I see:

The firs "I am" as the Cosmic Buddhic Principle
"That" as undifferentiated matter or mulaprakriti
The second "I am" as the incarnation of The Cosmic Buddhic Principle in to matter, a reflection of it´s highest one an so for, Maya or an illusion?
You will see I need to simplify, I wish my work would give me more time to study, concepts are not fixed on my mind.
 
Warm Regards
 
Raquel
 


--- El sáb, 22/11/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net> escribió:

De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Asunto: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: sábado, 22 noviembre, 2008 2:52

Raquel,
   Madame Blavatsky says similar to my paraphrasing if I recall right in regard
to the Cosmic Buddhic Principle. If the Motion is yet before Buddhic Principle,
and before any duality or object of perception, there is no basis for karma
until later when creation manifests, ( a condition of duality is the substrate
that enables possibility of karma ) then the residuals of the 5 aggregates can
come to the 5 Dhyana Chohans who are intimate to the unity of the Cosmic Buddhic
Principle, and when the stream of consciousness of the units of awareness (of
the Absolute and it's portions ) as projection of the absolute again
projects into the apparency of duality to again participate in the sport of
creation and receive the instruments and fabric of differentiation as habitat
for monadic consciousness stream and instrument of mind is created again. Then
Karma has the Matter -Energy- Space -Time of each creation as means for karmic
accumulations and remission. The Atma has never entered a crea
tion, it has no basis for karma, so our highest nature has always been beyond,
beyond  in regards to mark, stain, defect, error and  change in my pov. Having
never departed there is no arriving for Atma, so Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita
told Arjun that some day Arjun would see all his thousands of secondary
individuations arrayed before him ( the unreal, unpersisting, ephemeral, create
personas which in the journey of samsaric incarnations evaporate like dew at the
end of each incarnation. And forever remain only as the residuals of the five
aggregates that are preserved ) and that Arjun would (from the position of his
higher Atmic Knowingness ) laugh ,knowing he was really none of them. Atma never
has instrument of conditioned mind which is the vehicle of perception of the
illusion of the secondary creation wherein error, hence karma may present. 
Truth is the absolute absence of error and cannot exist in a creation per se. In
a certain sense the aphoric statement  "I am  'THAT' I 
am" can be a postulate of Absolute that in the first case of  "I
Am" reflects Gnosis, and then the "THAT" is reference to the
secondary creation composed of create impermanence, and the last "I
Am" is the postulated projection of the Monadic units which become a
vehicle for each of us. So one is Reality and the other is expedient means.

Regards,
John





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From: Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@yahoo.es> 
John
Being karma the law of action and reaction, would not it come to manifestation
as soon as there is action or movement or manifestation. An aim to...?
A stone thrown on quiet water causes rings to manifestate from the center until
it reaches the shore, to then come back to the center, That is the way I
understand karma. I know is rather simple, but would not the first point in the
circle the One and the Three, get karma in motion?

Warm Regards

Raquel

--- El mar, 18/11/08, Augoeides-222@comcast.net
<Augoeides-222@comcast.net> escribió:

De: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Asunto: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: martes, 18 noviembre, 2008 10:43

Christina,
I recall reading a long time ago that when a Yogi enters very deep sustained
Samadhi for long periods due to physiological normative processes the residual
wastes in the body could poison the body if not removed. because the Yogi is not
moving this waste by normal process there is an ancient obscure teaching and
knowledge that allows through reverse respiration from within to the without to
evacuate the wastes through using the body's largest organ, the skin. The
respiration of the wastes comes through the pores of the skin and the attendants
of the Yogi when bathing him wipe away these wastes pperiodically. It is a
delicate topic and discrete.

When Creation manifests there is no karma possibility until the Cosmic Buddhic
Principle manifests as it is the Buddhic Principal that makes possible
discrimination and with that difference and with that change manifests apparent
perception of duality, the basic condition under which karma may come into
manifestation. Truth is the absolute absence of error and is not secondary
because that can only habitat in the Absolute. Error is condition of karmic
accumulations

A while back some member here mentioned the word "Harmony" when the
perfected center is found and maintained Harmony presences. it is a wonderful
word in it's meaning. "What is harmony? is an excellent inquiry.

Just my personal pov.

Regards,
John

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From: "christinaleestemak er" <christinaleestemake r@yahoo.com>

Possibly we can see it as a balance(scales) if scales hanging in the 
zeropoint or in balance that can be truth and if one scale is out of 
balance we produce Karma.

So the only work to do is to keep all in balance and in the middle of 
ourselves.(sumadha) .
Christina

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Martin <Mvandertak@ ...> wrote:
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> True Cass, whole libraries have been written about Karma :-)
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> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:28 AM
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> I would have thought that Truth would cease Karma - 
surely if we understand something we change our ideas about it
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> From: Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com>
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Sent: Monday, 17 November, 2008 10:07:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
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> Understanding Truth can cause Karma, because the Beings come from 
Cosmic Kama...all misunderstanding causes 'bad karma with lessons to 
follow' ; all knowing causes expanding consciousness or 
horizons...except the horizons are as well vertical as 
horizontal.. .and all in between...we have to understand the 3 
worlds, tamas, rajas and sattva...beyond this you have to ask a 
Buddha or Avatar...The 3 worlds are symbologically The Sun, The Moon 
and The Earth. The Sun is sattva, the Moon is tamas and the Earth 
rajas. Rajas means work or reality, so we know what to do here: work, 
work work ( W.W.W.).
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> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:58 PM
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> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ 
stofanet. dk> wrote:
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> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 9:05 PM
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> The world is an illusion, but the Truth is shown there.
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> There is in reality only ParaBrahm.
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> M. Sufilight
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> From: "Martin" <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com>
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> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
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> Karma is an illusion...
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> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ 
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> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 7:26 PM
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> Well, Chuck, you Being a heretic and all, I Would of course expect 
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> M. Sufilight
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> From: Drpsionic@aol. com
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
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> I rather like my comment on God when my wife had her stroke and was 
in a
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> Chuck the Heretic
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> In a message dated 11/16/2008 11:49:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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> Here are some of my favorite quotes from
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> "God is exempt from all things and he is
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> "He who thinks that he sees God, if he
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> [Short biographical sketch of Eckhart at:
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> Do the IDEAS given in these quotes by Eckhart
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> SECRET DOCTRINE and THE MAHATMA LETTERS?
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