Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00434)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
<christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
>
> If you read well I have that from ML 15 page 88,89 which reply I 
give 
> on your called parabrahm from letter10 in which they wrote 
Parabrahm 
> is no god and that is try.
> Better explanation on what Parabrahm is , one can read on this 
> subject and will find much more information.
> Christina    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Christina
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Where do you find anything about Adi Buddhi and Atma-Buddhi in 
the 
> > Mahatma Letter no. 10.`?
> > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-10.htm
> > 
> > You could give me some quotes on where you have the words Adi 
> Buddhi and Atma-Buddhi from.
> > 
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:55 PM
> >   Subject: Theos-World Re: Meister Eckhart on "God"
> > 
> > 
> >   What I wanted to show ,is not on HPB or whatever, but related 
to 
> the 
> >   Mahatma Letters.You copied a part of letter 10.So my reaction 
was 
> on 
> >   that.
> >   And I think I can give myself the answer, that they made a 
> mistake in 
> >   press by Adi Buddhi needed to be Atma-Buddhi in its periodical 
> way in 
> >   the way of Parabrahm+Maya which gives Iswar, that power they 
> called 
> >   commonly god.
> >   And as far as I know that could only be atmabuddhi and not Adi 
> buddhi.
> >   Christina
> > 
> >   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
> >   theosophy@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Dear friends
> >   > 
> >   > My views are:
> >   > 
> >   > I wrote about ParaBrahm as it was defined in TS before W. C. 
> >   Leadbeater started to tell people about the importance of what 
he 
> >   quite misleading called "God".
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > From The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky:
> >   > "An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE 
on 
> >   which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the 
> power of 
> >   human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human 
> expression or 
> >   similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of thought -- in 
the 
> >   words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and unspeakable." 
> >   > (The Secret Doctrine, vol. 1, p. 14)
> >   > 
> >   > H. P. Blavatsky and Master says:
> >   > "Parabraham is not this or that, it is not even 
consciousness, 
> as
> >   > it cannot be related to matter or anything conditioned. It is 
> not 
> >   Ego nor is
> >   > it Non-ego, not even Atma, but verily the one source of all 
> >   manifestations
> >   > and modes of existence."
> >   > (written in The secret Doctrine, Vol 1., page 130 by 
Blavatsky )
> >   > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > Se for instance also my posting july 2008 at Theos-talk
> >   > http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200807/tt00404.html
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > But some persons do not understand, so they continue to find 
> the 
> >   word "God" to be so very important even when we clearly have 
> shown 
> >   that it is not so.M. Sufilight
> >   > 
> >   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > From: christinaleestemaker 
> >   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:07 PM
> >   > Subject: Theos-World Re: Meister Eckhart on "God"
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > Morten I copied the same, but not any respond.
> >   > By the way it is the vision of the East.
> >   > Can we explain what is parabrahm?
> >   > For example ML 15 page 88-9:
> >   > The initiated Brahmin calls it Yin Sin and Fohat,Brahman and 
> >   Sakti 
> >   > when manifesting as that force.We will perhaps be near 
correct 
> to 
> >   > call it infinite life and the source of all life visible and 
> >   > invisible, an essence of inexhaustible, ever present, in 
short 
> >   > Swabhavat.(S in its universal application and Fohat when 
> >   manifesting 
> >   > throughout our phenomenal world, or rather the visible 
> >   universe,hence 
> >   > in its limitations.It is pavritti when active, nirvritti when 
> >   passive.
> >   > Call it the Sakti of parabrahm if you like and say with the 
> >   Adwaities
> >   > (Subba Row is one) that Parabrahm + Maya becomes Ishwar, the 
> >   ceative 
> >   > principle- a power commonly called God which disappears and 
> dies 
> >   with 
> >   > the rest when pralaya comes.
> >   > Or you may hold with the northern Buddhists philosophers and 
> call 
> >   it 
> >   > AdiBuddhi, the all- pervading supreme and absolute 
intelligence 
> >   with 
> >   > iis periodically manifesting Divinity-"Avalokiteshvara"a 
> >   manvantaric 
> >   > intelligent nature crowned with humanity. 
> >   > 
> >   > see more on parabrahm on pages: 86.52,53-4,74,89,195,338-9 
and 
> >   340.
> >   > 
> >   > We can search for all page in which has been used parabrahm 
for 
> >   > having a total vision.
> >   > 
> >   > As I understand well Parabrahm is infinite( an attribute of 
Yin 
> >   Sin, 
> >   > or the one form of existence) AdiBuddhi or Dharmakaya, the 
> >   mystic, 
> >   > universally diffused essence,which stays forever)when 
> manifesting 
> >   in 
> >   > the fenominal world of senses, namely, only your old 
> acquaintance 
> >   > Fohat. But with maya is disappears and dies when pralaya 
> comes.So 
> >   > what we call god(Iswar) is temporary.
> >   > I cannot understand why they also called that AdiBuddhi, for 
> that 
> >   > never disappears and also never dies.
> >   > 
> >   > Christina 
> >   > 
> >   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
> <global-
> >   > theosophy@> wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > Dear all readers
> >   > > 
> >   > > My views are:
> >   > > 
> >   > > There is no God.
> >   > > There is ParaBrahm.
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > Mahatma Letter 10:
> >   > > "Therefore, we deny God both as philosophers and as 
> Buddhists. 
> >   We 
> >   > know there 
> >   > > are planetary and other spiritual lives, and we know there 
is 
> >   in 
> >   > our system 
> >   > > no such thing as God, either personal or impersonal. 
> Parabrahm 
> >   is 
> >   > not a God, 
> >   > > but absolute immutable law, and Iswar is the effect of 
Avidya 
> >   and 
> >   > Maya, 
> >   > > ignorance based upon the great delusion. The word "God" was 
> >   > invented to 
> >   > > designate the unknown cause of those effects which man has 
> >   either 
> >   > admired or 
> >   > > dreaded without understanding them, and since we claim and 
> that 
> >   we 
> >   > are able 
> >   > > to prove what we claim -- i.e. the knowledge of that cause 
> and 
> >   > causes we are 
> >   > > in a position to maintain there is no God or Gods behind 
them.
> >   > > The idea of God is not an innate but an acquired notion, 
and 
> we 
> >   > have but one 
> >   > > thing in common with theologies -- we reveal the infinite. 
> But 
> >   > while we 
> >   > > assign to all the phenomena that proceed from the infinite 
> and 
> >   > limitless 
> >   > > space, duration and motion, material, natural, sensible and 
> >   known 
> >   > (to us at 
> >   > > least) cause, the theists assign them spiritual, super-
> natural 
> >   and 
> >   > > unintelligible an un-known causes. The God of the 
Theologians 
> >   is 
> >   > simply and 
> >   > > imaginary power, un loup garou as d'Holbach expressed it -- 
a 
> >   power 
> >   > which 
> >   > > has never yet manifested itself. Our chief aim is to 
deliver 
> >   > humanity of 
> >   > > this nightmare, to teach man virtue for its own sake, and 
to 
> >   walk 
> >   > in life 
> >   > > relying on himself instead of leaning on a theological 
> crutch, 
> >   that 
> >   > for 
> >   > > countless ages was the direct cause of nearly all human 
> misery."
> >   > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-10.htm
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > M. Sufilight
> >   > > 
> >   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   > > From: "MKR" <mkr777@>
> >   > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> >   > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:10 AM
> >   > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
> >   > > 
> >   > > 
> >   > > Here is a real story.
> >   > > 
> >   > > Here one early morning, a man, his wife, and two kids were 
> >   walking 
> >   > on the
> >   > > side walk of a major street, all of them in birthday suits. 
A 
> >   > policeman
> >   > > stopped them and politely inquired of them why are they in 
> this 
> >   > condition;
> >   > > may be they are homeless or someone stole all their clothes 
> etc.
> >   > > 
> >   > > The man responded responded that God commanded them to take 
> >   throw 
> >   > away all
> >   > > their clothes and directed them to start walking on the 
> >   sidewalk. 
> >   > The
> >   > > policeman politely told them he would give a ride and took 
> them 
> >   to 
> >   > the
> >   > > police station in his patrol car.
> >   > > 
> >   > > At least they are not doing any harm to anyone. Sometimes 
God 
> >   acts 
> >   > in
> >   > > strange ways!!! I like such a God not the ones which is on 
a 
> >   > destructive
> >   > > path.
> >   > > 
> >   > > mkr
> >   > > 
> >   > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:16 PM, <Drpsionic@> wrote:
> >   > > 
> >   > > > I rather like my comment on God when my wife had her 
stroke 
> >   and 
> >   > was in a
> >   > > >
> >   > > > coma for two weeks, thus causing one of her sisters to 
> >   comment 
> >   > that "God
> >   > > > has a
> >   > > > reason for this." My response was, "If your idiot God 
knew 
> >   what 
> >   > he was
> >   > > > doing
> >   > > > in the first place she would not be here!"
> >   > > >
> >   > > > Chuck the Heretic
> >   > > >
> >   > > >
> >   > > > In a message dated 11/16/2008 11:49:06 A.M. Central 
> Standard 
> >   Time,
> >   > > > danielhcaldwell@ <danielhcaldwell%40yahoo.com> writes:
> >   > > >
> >   > > > Here are some of my favorite quotes from
> >   > > > Meister Eckhart (c.1260-c.1328, German mystic):
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "God is exempt from all things and he is
> >   > > > all things."
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "He who thinks that he sees God, if he
> >   > > > see aught sees naught of God."
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "I do not find God outside myself nor
> >   > > > conceive him excepting as my own and in me."
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "If I were not, God would not be God."
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "All creatures are pure nothingness. I
> >   > > > do not say they are small or
> >   > > > petty: they are pure nothingness.p
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "The being [of things] is God."
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "The being and the nature of God are
> >   > > > mine. . . . the spark in the soul is beyond
> >   > > > time and space; the soul's
> >   > > > light is uncreated and cannot be created, it
> >   > > > takes possession of God with no mediation; the
> >   > > > core of the soul and the core of God are one."
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "Why I pray God to rid me of God is because
> >   > > > conditionless being is above God and above
> >   > > > distinction.d
> >   > > >
> >   > > > "God works, the Godhead does no work."
> >   > > > -------------------------------------------------
> >   > > >
> >   > > > [Short biographical sketch of Eckhart at:
> >   > > > _http://www.bartlebyhttp://www.http://www.b_
> >   > > > (http://www.bartleby.com/65/ec/Eckhart.html) ]
> >   > > >
> >   > > > Do the IDEAS given in these quotes by Eckhart
> >   > > > relate to what is written about "God" in THE
> >   > > > SECRET DOCTRINE and THE MAHATMA LETTERS?
> >   > > >
> >   > > > If so,how?
> >   > > >
> >   > > > Daniel
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