Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00433)

If you read well I have that from ML 15 page 88,89 which reply I give 
on your called parabrahm from letter10 in which they wrote Parabrahm 
is no god and that is try.
Better explanation on what Parabrahm is , one can read on this 
subject and will find much more information.
Christina    




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Christina
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Where do you find anything about Adi Buddhi and Atma-Buddhi in the 
> Mahatma Letter no. 10.`?
> http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-10.htm
> 
> You could give me some quotes on where you have the words Adi 
Buddhi and Atma-Buddhi from.
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: christinaleestemaker 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:55 PM
>   Subject: Theos-World Re: Meister Eckhart on "God"
> 
> 
>   What I wanted to show ,is not on HPB or whatever, but related to 
the 
>   Mahatma Letters.You copied a part of letter 10.So my reaction was 
on 
>   that.
>   And I think I can give myself the answer, that they made a 
mistake in 
>   press by Adi Buddhi needed to be Atma-Buddhi in its periodical 
way in 
>   the way of Parabrahm+Maya which gives Iswar, that power they 
called 
>   commonly god.
>   And as far as I know that could only be atmabuddhi and not Adi 
buddhi.
>   Christina
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>   theosophy@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Dear friends
>   > 
>   > My views are:
>   > 
>   > I wrote about ParaBrahm as it was defined in TS before W. C. 
>   Leadbeater started to tell people about the importance of what he 
>   quite misleading called "God".
>   > 
>   > 
>   > From The Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky:
>   > "An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on 
>   which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the 
power of 
>   human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human 
expression or 
>   similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of thought -- in the 
>   words of Mandukya, "unthinkable and unspeakable." 
>   > (The Secret Doctrine, vol. 1, p. 14)
>   > 
>   > H. P. Blavatsky and Master says:
>   > "Parabraham is not this or that, it is not even consciousness, 
as
>   > it cannot be related to matter or anything conditioned. It is 
not 
>   Ego nor is
>   > it Non-ego, not even Atma, but verily the one source of all 
>   manifestations
>   > and modes of existence."
>   > (written in The secret Doctrine, Vol 1., page 130 by Blavatsky )
>   > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/SDVolume_I.htm
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Se for instance also my posting july 2008 at Theos-talk
>   > http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200807/tt00404.html
>   > 
>   > 
>   > But some persons do not understand, so they continue to find 
the 
>   word "God" to be so very important even when we clearly have 
shown 
>   that it is not so.M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: christinaleestemaker 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:07 PM
>   > Subject: Theos-World Re: Meister Eckhart on "God"
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Morten I copied the same, but not any respond.
>   > By the way it is the vision of the East.
>   > Can we explain what is parabrahm?
>   > For example ML 15 page 88-9:
>   > The initiated Brahmin calls it Yin Sin and Fohat,Brahman and 
>   Sakti 
>   > when manifesting as that force.We will perhaps be near correct 
to 
>   > call it infinite life and the source of all life visible and 
>   > invisible, an essence of inexhaustible, ever present, in short 
>   > Swabhavat.(S in its universal application and Fohat when 
>   manifesting 
>   > throughout our phenomenal world, or rather the visible 
>   universe,hence 
>   > in its limitations.It is pavritti when active, nirvritti when 
>   passive.
>   > Call it the Sakti of parabrahm if you like and say with the 
>   Adwaities
>   > (Subba Row is one) that Parabrahm + Maya becomes Ishwar, the 
>   ceative 
>   > principle- a power commonly called God which disappears and 
dies 
>   with 
>   > the rest when pralaya comes.
>   > Or you may hold with the northern Buddhists philosophers and 
call 
>   it 
>   > AdiBuddhi, the all- pervading supreme and absolute intelligence 
>   with 
>   > iis periodically manifesting Divinity-"Avalokiteshvara"a 
>   manvantaric 
>   > intelligent nature crowned with humanity. 
>   > 
>   > see more on parabrahm on pages: 86.52,53-4,74,89,195,338-9 and 
>   340.
>   > 
>   > We can search for all page in which has been used parabrahm for 
>   > having a total vision.
>   > 
>   > As I understand well Parabrahm is infinite( an attribute of Yin 
>   Sin, 
>   > or the one form of existence) AdiBuddhi or Dharmakaya, the 
>   mystic, 
>   > universally diffused essence,which stays forever)when 
manifesting 
>   in 
>   > the fenominal world of senses, namely, only your old 
acquaintance 
>   > Fohat. But with maya is disappears and dies when pralaya 
comes.So 
>   > what we call god(Iswar) is temporary.
>   > I cannot understand why they also called that AdiBuddhi, for 
that 
>   > never disappears and also never dies.
>   > 
>   > Christina 
>   > 
>   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
>   > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Dear all readers
>   > > 
>   > > My views are:
>   > > 
>   > > There is no God.
>   > > There is ParaBrahm.
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Mahatma Letter 10:
>   > > "Therefore, we deny God both as philosophers and as 
Buddhists. 
>   We 
>   > know there 
>   > > are planetary and other spiritual lives, and we know there is 
>   in 
>   > our system 
>   > > no such thing as God, either personal or impersonal. 
Parabrahm 
>   is 
>   > not a God, 
>   > > but absolute immutable law, and Iswar is the effect of Avidya 
>   and 
>   > Maya, 
>   > > ignorance based upon the great delusion. The word "God" was 
>   > invented to 
>   > > designate the unknown cause of those effects which man has 
>   either 
>   > admired or 
>   > > dreaded without understanding them, and since we claim and 
that 
>   we 
>   > are able 
>   > > to prove what we claim -- i.e. the knowledge of that cause 
and 
>   > causes we are 
>   > > in a position to maintain there is no God or Gods behind them.
>   > > The idea of God is not an innate but an acquired notion, and 
we 
>   > have but one 
>   > > thing in common with theologies -- we reveal the infinite. 
But 
>   > while we 
>   > > assign to all the phenomena that proceed from the infinite 
and 
>   > limitless 
>   > > space, duration and motion, material, natural, sensible and 
>   known 
>   > (to us at 
>   > > least) cause, the theists assign them spiritual, super-
natural 
>   and 
>   > > unintelligible an un-known causes. The God of the Theologians 
>   is 
>   > simply and 
>   > > imaginary power, un loup garou as d'Holbach expressed it -- a 
>   power 
>   > which 
>   > > has never yet manifested itself. Our chief aim is to deliver 
>   > humanity of 
>   > > this nightmare, to teach man virtue for its own sake, and to 
>   walk 
>   > in life 
>   > > relying on himself instead of leaning on a theological 
crutch, 
>   that 
>   > for 
>   > > countless ages was the direct cause of nearly all human 
misery."
>   > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-10.htm
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > M. Sufilight
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: "MKR" <mkr777@>
>   > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>   > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:10 AM
>   > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Meister Eckhart on "God"
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Here is a real story.
>   > > 
>   > > Here one early morning, a man, his wife, and two kids were 
>   walking 
>   > on the
>   > > side walk of a major street, all of them in birthday suits. A 
>   > policeman
>   > > stopped them and politely inquired of them why are they in 
this 
>   > condition;
>   > > may be they are homeless or someone stole all their clothes 
etc.
>   > > 
>   > > The man responded responded that God commanded them to take 
>   throw 
>   > away all
>   > > their clothes and directed them to start walking on the 
>   sidewalk. 
>   > The
>   > > policeman politely told them he would give a ride and took 
them 
>   to 
>   > the
>   > > police station in his patrol car.
>   > > 
>   > > At least they are not doing any harm to anyone. Sometimes God 
>   acts 
>   > in
>   > > strange ways!!! I like such a God not the ones which is on a 
>   > destructive
>   > > path.
>   > > 
>   > > mkr
>   > > 
>   > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:16 PM, <Drpsionic@> wrote:
>   > > 
>   > > > I rather like my comment on God when my wife had her stroke 
>   and 
>   > was in a
>   > > >
>   > > > coma for two weeks, thus causing one of her sisters to 
>   comment 
>   > that "God
>   > > > has a
>   > > > reason for this." My response was, "If your idiot God knew 
>   what 
>   > he was
>   > > > doing
>   > > > in the first place she would not be here!"
>   > > >
>   > > > Chuck the Heretic
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > In a message dated 11/16/2008 11:49:06 A.M. Central 
Standard 
>   Time,
>   > > > danielhcaldwell@ <danielhcaldwell%40yahoo.com> writes:
>   > > >
>   > > > Here are some of my favorite quotes from
>   > > > Meister Eckhart (c.1260-c.1328, German mystic):
>   > > >
>   > > > "God is exempt from all things and he is
>   > > > all things."
>   > > >
>   > > > "He who thinks that he sees God, if he
>   > > > see aught sees naught of God."
>   > > >
>   > > > "I do not find God outside myself nor
>   > > > conceive him excepting as my own and in me."
>   > > >
>   > > > "If I were not, God would not be God."
>   > > >
>   > > > "All creatures are pure nothingness. I
>   > > > do not say they are small or
>   > > > petty: they are pure nothingness.p
>   > > >
>   > > > "The being [of things] is God."
>   > > >
>   > > > "The being and the nature of God are
>   > > > mine. . . . the spark in the soul is beyond
>   > > > time and space; the soul's
>   > > > light is uncreated and cannot be created, it
>   > > > takes possession of God with no mediation; the
>   > > > core of the soul and the core of God are one."
>   > > >
>   > > > "Why I pray God to rid me of God is because
>   > > > conditionless being is above God and above
>   > > > distinction.d
>   > > >
>   > > > "God works, the Godhead does no work."
>   > > > -------------------------------------------------
>   > > >
>   > > > [Short biographical sketch of Eckhart at:
>   > > > _http://www.bartlebyhttp://www.http://www.b_
>   > > > (http://www.bartleby.com/65/ec/Eckhart.html) ]
>   > > >
>   > > > Do the IDEAS given in these quotes by Eckhart
>   > > > relate to what is written about "God" in THE
>   > > > SECRET DOCTRINE and THE MAHATMA LETTERS?
>   > > >
>   > > > If so,how?
>   > > >
>   > > > Daniel
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