Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00195)

"... the adept sees and feels and lives in the very source of all

fundamental truths -- the Universal Spiritual Essence of Nature...." (Italics, boldness and underline by me)

One can even specify sees, feels and lives into understands, accepts and thinks as well as remembers, speaks and acts according the Universal Spiritual Essence of Nature since the Tathagata Who lives in him ( and actually in all of us, dormant or awake ) is a creator and coörperator as well as a player with this very same Nature.

Being recognised as such one can say that people with minor qualities ( who are less advanced or developed ) in the field of existance will look up to these adepts as "Gods", but only when these Adepts see this as part of their Task. The stories which follow such a Task are described in the various books on "Demons, Gods and Magicians". But in fact these adepts teach us they are our brothers and as such try to encourage us to become like them...( Like Morya, these Adepts 'hate' being adored and warshipped...)
So my understanding is: we should treat them as Teachers, not as Gods, treat Gods and the Devils both as our Teacher untill we are examined ( initiated into the 5th circle or ring ) to become Arhats and later our own Adept.
However when no teacher is present we can always turn ourselves to our inner Teacher; KH stated: "in the end we all work for our own inseperatable Self ( the Tathagata)"...when he got the highest ( read Bodhisatva ) initiation.

my 2 cts.

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Theos-World To Anand:   Jnaneshwar and the Mahatmas on "God"
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:29 AM










    
            Anand,



You wrote once on Theos-Talk:



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St. Jnaneshwar writes in it that it is sin to consider ourselves

separate from God. He wrote that God is the only one who exists, all

forms which we see with senses are maya or illusion.

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Isn't the CORE IDEA that you say Jnaneshwar taught, isn't this the 

same core idea given in these quotes from THE MAHATMA LETTERS:



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Pantheistic we may be called -- agnostic NEVER. If people are willing

to accept and to regard as God our ONE LIFE immutable and unconscious

in its eternity they may do so and thus keep to one more gigantic

misnomer. But then they will have to say with Spinoza that there is

not and that we cannot conceive any other substance than God; or as

that famous and unfortunate philosopher says in his fourteenth

proposition, "praeter Deum nulla dari neque concepi potest

substantia" -- and thus become Pantheists . . . .



. . . according to Mr. Massey's philosophical conclusion we have no

God....He is right -- since he applies the name to an extra- cosmic

anomaly, and that we, knowing nothing of the latter, find --

each man his God -- within himself in his own personal, and at the

same time, -- impersonal Avalokiteswara. . . .



A Being however gigantic, occupying space and having length breadth

and thickness is most certainly the Mosaic deity; 'No-being' and a

mere principle lands you directly in the Buddhistic atheism, or the

Vedantic primitive Acosmism.



. . . We are not Adwaitees, but our teaching respecting the one life

is identical with that of the Adwaitee with regard to Parabrahm. And

no true philosophically brained Adwaitee will ever call himself an

agnostic, for he knows that he is Parabrahm and identical in every

respect with the universal life and soul -- the macrocosm is the

microcosm and he knows that there is no God apart from himself, no

creator as no being....



... the adept sees and feels and lives in the very source of all

fundamental truths -- the Universal Spiritual Essence of Nature....

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Anand, I again ask you:



Isn't the CORE IDEA that you say Jnaneshwar taught, isn't this the 

same core idea given in these quotes from THE MAHATMA LETTERS?????



Daniel

http://hpb.cc




      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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