Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00159)

Dear Elena,

I have read your paper and found it most interesting.  I feel that  
you have justified the existence of the harmonic hyperspace fields  
that exist in analogous relationship to the resonant electromagnetic  
fields on the physical/material plane. All such fields being  
hyperspherical (toroidal) in nature.

As I see it, however, I do not think the respiratory system is  
centered in the heart chakra, but more likely in the naval chakra --  
where the control of the diaphragm muscles lie that cyclically  
control and empower the respiratory system.  In the Eastern  
philosophies, respiration, linked with the prana, chi or vital  
energy, is dominant over the metric electrical energy, centered in  
the heart chakra, that controls the blood circulation. I would also  
think that all the electrodynamic laws of Maxwell, Coulomb, Faraday,  
Ampere, etc., a well as the laws of thermodynamics, symmetry and  
conservation -- would hold on all fractal involved levels of total  
space -- (including cosmic hyperspace that pervades all aether  
generated metric space and its lower order hyperspace fields).  IOW,  
the spirit in man, while linked to the cosmic spirit,  is not the  
same order of reality as the supreme spirit inherent in absolute  
space... The former finite and the latter infinite.

Perhaps it would help if you consider as the basis of your toroidal  
field concept, some of the arguments and illustrations in my ABC  
model of cosmogenesis -- which more or less explains the fundamental  
fractal involved nature of all radiant electrodynamic fields --  
beginning with the initial higher frequency/energy phase order fields  
of cosmogenesis, and descending to the lower order metric physical/ 
material fields along with their hyperspatial field interconnections  
(which could be called "Chi" or "Prana" fields as used in Chinese and  
Aryavedic medicine).  At least, this model offers a rational basis  
for the existence of such chakrafields, besides offering a basis for  
fully discussing the mechanisms of consciousness as it links to mind,  
memory brain body, senses, etc..  See: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/ 
81/19  and/or http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23/13

I'd be interested in any further papers you publish on the toroidal  
nature of the human energy fields.  Should you find a way to verify  
the fundamental basis of your theory, experimentally, it could  
possibly lead to an entirely new paradigm of physics, and answer all  
the "hard problems" of consciousness, brain-mind binding, non  
locality, etc.

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer


On Oct 27, 2008, at 10/27/086:37 AM, elena evtimova wrote:

> Dear frends, I find your discussion very interesting and useful.  
> There are many inspiring ideas in it!
>
> Some time ago I made an attempt to make a model of human energy  
> field and the human assemblage point AS TOROIDAL constructions. The  
> work was reported at a Confernce on Measuring Energy Fields, 2007,  
> Kamnik - Slovenia.
> I shall attach it, if you read it, please post your comments on  
> hetybg@yahoo.com
>
> Best Regards, Elena
>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com> wrote:
> From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@aol.com>
> Subject: [quantum_theory] Re: Re: EM Human Field Toroidal
> To:
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 9:26 AM
>
>
>
> On Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:44 am ((PDT)) "rybo6" rybo6@usit.net os_jbug  
> wrote:
>
>> Leon, thanks for fixing heart math link.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, you have yet to clearly explain the five or so differrent
>>
>> "spaces" you mentioned, and I reposted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I repeat, I see two generalized types of space
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. occupied ergo physical
>>
>
> Fourth (lowest) frequency phase order space as illustrated on my  
> "Cosmogenesis" fractal involved field diagram
> <http://members. aol.com/leonmaur er/Chakrafield- spherical-  
> col_3.jpg>  (Note: this diagram is being removed by AOL.com on Oct  
> 31. Please feel free to download it for future reference until I  
> set up my new web site.)
>
> This lowest order space is the entire physical (metric) aspect of  
> Einstein's Space-Time Continuum" including the hyperspace vacuum  
> (ZPE) fields.
>>
>> 2. non-occupied ergo metaphysical
>>
>>
>>
>>   "Metric Space"
>>
>
> Is NOT metaphysical. .. But, refers to visible and and measurable  
> (4th world "physical" ) space time continuum covered by the  
> "standard model" of modern physics.
>>
>>   "Absolute Space" -- that underlies the
>>
>
> The unconditioned,  timeless, formless, potentially infinitely  
> conscious and infinitely material (or mass-energetic) father SPACE  
> -- that eternally exists whether or not there are conditioned  
> universes.  This Space is everywhere, forever undiminishable and  
> imperishable. ..  Or, we might say, "Omnipresent, Omniscient and  
> Omnipotent".  It's zero-points are the roots of all individual  
> conscious ness -- both latent (unconscious) or phenomenal.
>>
>> "Aether Space" (Einstein's "total space")
>>
>
> The conditioned aspect of Absolute Space that represents the  
> "singularity" or near infinite but still finite spin momentum  
> underlying the entire potential mass-energy (G-force) of our  
> physical space -- located at every zero-point in the Planck vacuum  
> throughout the metaphysical and physical space-time continuum.
>
> This Aether or total cosmic space -- as the source of every field  
> and form in the cosmos, both metaphysical and physical, subtle or  
> gross, visible or invisible -- could be called our "mother space."
>>
>>   ultimate "MegaSpace". ..
>>
>
> Another name for the the possible infinite universes that could  
> involve and evolve from the infinite G-force angular momentum (or  
> abstract
> motion) of Absolute Space -- since this father space spins on  
> infinite axes, of which only three are needed for each spherical  
> manifest universe --such as our spacetime continuum.  Sometimes the  
> term is used (without the "ultimate") to describe all the  
> metaphysical and physical spaces in the universe... But, I prefer  
> "total space" or "Aether". (Although the latter could be misleading  
> -- since it refers to the failed MM experiment) .
>
> As I see it, light doesn't travel through the aether, but is the  
> zero-point non linear spin motion of the aether itself in linear  
> motion through gravitational space.  See symbolic cross-sectional  
> head on view of spinning polar photon-aether field at:
> http://users. aol.com/uniwldar ts/uniworld. artisans. guild/taichi.  
> spin.gif
> Note the primal hyperspace fields within fields within fields,  
> within the photon field.
>
> Thus, all hyperspace fields are within the physical fields of  
> metric space, no matter how small... Therefore, each spherical   
> standing wave particle is a universe within itself -- as every  
> microcosmic form is also a mirror of the macrocosm.  Obviously  
> then, the field structure of everything in the universe can be  
> known by analogy and correspondence.
>
>> potential spaces
>>
>
> Besides other potential universes... "Potential spaces" are the  
> possible spherical hyper- spaces of the overall cosmic space  
> (including physical metric space) that are contained in the spin  
> momentum singularity located everywhere.
>
> This is the basis of the holographic nature of the universe and  
> everything in it -- since all such analogous zero-point generated  
> spaces, or radiant energy fields, contain the total structural  
> information of the entire formative nature of the universe -- like  
> each DNA molecule in every cell contains the entire structural  
> information of the body it's connected with, along with the forms  
> of all other living/sentient beings.  Vide; The growing fetus that  
> passes through the whole evolutionary progression starting from a  
> single live cell, and extending through all the kingdoms and  
> species of nature.
>>
>>   (metric space-time) gravitational field circumference.
>>
>
> Every radiant energy field expands from its point source in a  
> series of circumferential waves.  The outer edge of the metric  
> aspect of the cosmos is the furthest such gravitational wave front  
> of our physical universe containing visible quasars or baby  
> universes.  This is the metric space-time gravitational field  
> circumference,  located nowhere, at near infinite radius, that we  
> can see (given enough magnifying power) from any center of the  
> universe, located everywhere.
>
> The actual invisible gravitational field, however, could extend to  
> infinite radius -- which would then make it's overall space  
> entirely flat.  Although, it curves more and more as it approaches  
> closer and closer in toward increasing mass-energy densities of  
> spherical forms -- that exist as holographic wave interference  
> patterned energy field-forms on its wave front surface at any  
> radius from its center.  (This is a more accurate representation of  
> the way gravitational space bends than the rubber blanket and ball  
> metaphor used by grammar school physics teachers.;-)
>>
>> hyperspace
>>
>
> Try to imagine (with a mind empty of all other thoughts or  
> distractions) infinite points within infinite spherical fields of  
> infinite radius -- whose fractal involved radiant fields between  
> zero and infinity all occupy the same space.  If you can twist your  
> finite mind field that far out of sync with our physical sensory  
> limited world-- you might comprehend this picture I'm try to  
> impssibly paint with words plus 2-d and faux 3-d illustrations  
> alone. ;-)
>>
>> Your inability to respond to those specifically much less clearly
>>
>> layout their heirarchy or interrelationships makes me dubious of your
>>
>> claims.
>>
>
> I hope that the responses above might help modify some of your  
> dubiousness a bit. ;-)
>
> Leon
>>
>> Rybo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Leon Maurer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Rybo,
>>>
>>> Note that the diagram of the harmonic fields that radiate from the
>>>
>>> heart center are fractal involved toroids that can form and fill
>>>
>>> overall spherical spaces (as they spin on all three axes).  These
>>>
>>> electromagnetic fields are harmonic analogs of all fundamental
>>>
>>> metric space and hyperspace fields surrounding every zero point
>>>
>>> singularity' s that are the source of the quantum particle wave
>>>
>>> forms located everywhere in the universe. And, they can extend in
>>>
>>> hyperspace as far as the furthest reaches of total space in
>>>
>>> diminishing orders of energy and tenuousness -- approaching zero.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All such resonant fields, at various ascending orders of frequency,
>>>
>>> can carry information as modulated wave interference patterns on
>>>
>>> their surfaces, and are the media of the mental and memory images
>>>
>>> of consciousness -- which is a fundamental subjective quality of
>>>
>>> all such field's zero-point centers of origin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These field's numeric parameters also correspond to the symbolic
>>>
>>> diagram of fractal involved fields of cosmogenesis I use for my ABC
>>>
>>> model.  They also correspond to the Kaluza-Klien space-manifold
>>>
>>> system used as the basis of string and M theories.  It's on the
>>>
>>> metric physical level of cosmogenesis that the fields surrounding
>>>
>>> each cell and organ of the body, such as the heart fields, appear
>>>
>>> as metric EM radiation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The EM field harmonics also are analogous to the higher order chi
>>>
>>> energy fields in hyperspace that surround the entire body -- which
>>>
>>> links our individual self centered consciousness to the mind and
>>>
>>> long term memory fields -- that resonantly (through their major
>>>
>>> chakra centers) directly influence the overall neurological EM
>>>
>>> fields of the brain, heart, organs, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This resonant linkage of all information carried by harmonic
>>>
>>> coenergetic fields at all levels of physical form, is the basis of
>>>
>>> the overall holographic nature of the entire universe.  This model
>>>
>>> is also reflected in the holographic nature of the DNA molecule --
>>>
>>> that replicates in every cell of each self regenerative sentient
>>>
>>> being.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I corrected the web site you posted below containing
>>>
>>> the illustration of the fractal involved toroidal EM fields
>>>
>>> radiating from the heart chakra.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The correct site is:
>>>
>>> http://www.heartmat h.org/research/ research- science-of- the- 
>>> heart- 4/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Leon Maurer
>>>
>>> http://canonizer. com/topic. asp/23/13
>>>
>>> (Note: the illustrations in this article are being closed out by
>>>
>>> the FTP host "users.aol.com" on Oct 31.  If interested, they should
>>>
>>> be downloaded before then.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:53 am ((PDT) rybo6@usit.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1c.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.heartmat h.org/research- science-of- the-heart- 4/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Figure 12. Maybe at bottom of this page Rybo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..."The heart?s electromagnetic field--by far the most powerful
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rhythmic field produced by the human body--not only envelops every
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cell of the body but also extends out in all directions into the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> space around us. The cardiac field can be measured several feet  
>>>> away
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> from the body by sensitive devices. Research conducted at IHM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> suggests that the heart?s field is an important carrier of
>>>>
>>>> information. "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> =
>
>  <toroidal-structure-of-the-assemblage-point_appendix.pdf>


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