Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00119)

Dear Pedro


My views are:

Pedro wrote:
"The International Secretary, Keith Fisher, has been politically
harrassed on an almost daily basis by John Algeo's supporters. "


M. Sufilight asks:
I might have missed a few posts.
But do you have any actual proof to substantiate this claim?


M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pedro Oliveira 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:30 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Re:TS - Are we ready for a coup?


  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:

  There is still a real possibility that John Algeo's supporters will
  attempt to seize control of the General Council at its meeting on
  Christmas Day this year. Here are the evidences:

  1. The amendment proposal to disenfranchise ALL members of the TS from
  electing the international President has not been withdrawn by Betty
  Bland and her supporters (John Algeo, Tran-Thi-Kim-Dieu and Wies Kuiper).

  2. The International Secretary, Keith Fisher, has been politically
  harrassed on an almost daily basis by John Algeo's supporters. They
  have accused him, among other things, of illegality in the nomination
  and subsequent election of the Vice-President of the TS. He has
  communicated the results of that election to all GC members.

  3. The harassment messages sent to Fisher are been circularized to all
  GC members plus a number of individuals throughout the world. This is
  a clear attempt to condition and intimidate the minds of other GC
  members in favour of the harasser's viepoints.

  4. The harassers have also accused the International Headquarters and
  the President of being undemocratic and that she "removed" John Algeo
  as Vice-President. The nomination of a Vice-President is a
  constitutional prerogative of the President.

  It is true that the majority of GC members are silent about the
  present crisis, therefore making it difficult to gauge where they do
  stand. 

  Therefore those members who refuse to see the TS turned into a
  corporation run by a board of directors, and who know that once the
  election results are made known the elected President deserves
  support, have no alternative except to continue to denounce, in the
  strongest possible terms, the actions of a group of members who
  continue to attack the President, the Secretary and Adyar, our
  international Headquarters in a most shameless manner.

  If such a group were really interested in using the opportunity of the
  General Council meeting at Adyar to DISCUSS constructive suggestions
  to improve the work of the TS world wide, as TS members and not as
  lobbyists, I am sure this would be welcomed by all. But so far, their
  attitude has been one of extreme belligerence, utter disrespect to
  Radha Burnier as President of the TS, who was elected by the majority
  of the members, and widespread political harassment within the General
  Council.

  Pedro 

  > All the facts we are discussing here started when an attempt was made to
  > defeat Radha Burnier by providing inaccurate and possibly misleading
  > information to the membership that she is sick both mentally and
  physically.
  > 
  > 
  > Even after three highly reputed independent physicians from two
  countries
  > reported that she is fit, none of those members who tried to defeat her
  > corrected the inaccurate and possibly misleading information. When
  such an
  > action comes from leaders who are expected to be fair and accurate,
  all it
  > leads to is that the trust level of ordinary members in their
  leaders falls
  > to earth. Once this happens, it is very difficult to believe in anything
  > they say. One has to take everything with a grain of salt.
  > 
  > Most members thought that after the election was over, the matter was
  > settled and hoped that the leaders will start concentrating on the most
  > urgent issue - severe bleeding of membership around the world. In any
  > organization whose membership is on a continuous slide, it is the
  > responsibility of the leaders to look into and do something about it
  > urgently. Due to the decentralized setup of TS, the responsibility
  is that
  > of the national secretaries. Nothing was heard about the membership
  issue or
  > any plans to address it at the section level.
  > 
  > On the heels of the election, instead, members woke up to find that a
  > quartet of GS members (including the defeated candidate) had sent a
  radical
  > proposal to be discussed and approved at the upcoming meeting. The
  proposal
  > was to disenfranchise all the members from voting for the International
  > President and make the President a puppet of the GC members. The
  proposal
  > was so super secret in that none of the dues paying members in Adyar or
  > Wheaton (except GC members) knew about it and the worker bee members
  there
  > had to find out about it from this Internet list. In the
  pre-Internet days,
  > it would have been a coup and members would have woken up on
  Christmas day
  > with a shock and dismay.
  > 
  > Since that time, we have not heard that the proposal has been withdrawn.
  > With the above background of how the leaders have acted in the past,
  one has
  > to assume that those behind the proposal and their supporters are
  determined
  > to get it done in the next meeting. Once it is a fait accompli, the
  losers
  > are the members, TS and theosophy. The winners, GC members.
  > 
  > The only quick way for members to challenge the legality of the
  coup, after
  > the fact would be to go to court. Ordinary members do not have the
  funds to
  > hire lawyers and litigate. The GC once having accomplished the coup, can
  > access the treasury and other assets to litigate and defend their
  decisions.
  > Further funding can come from the other sections which have a lot of
  money
  > in the bank.
  > 
  > Due to how secrecy surrounds all proposals and other behind the scene
  > actions and maneuverings, we do not know what other machinations
  are going
  > on behind the closed doors. One should not be surprised by any other
  > surprise move to seize control by GC.
  > 
  > In the above scenario, are the members to keep silent? I do not
  think so.
  > 
  > MKR Member TSA
  > 
  > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
  > 
  > 
  > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Warwick Keys <keyteach@...> wrote:
  > 
  > > MKR talks a load of rubbish and should know better. He probably
  took a
  > > leading part in the "Reds under the bed" uproars of not so long
  ago. It is
  > > time to get real and deal with facts and not manufacture fiction.
  > >
  > > It is not surprising that responsible GC members do not bother
  responding,
  > > in fact most probably never even look at BLOG sites.
  > >
  > > Warwick Keys - GC member.
  > >
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  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > 
  > 
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