Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00002)

Anton,
   Thanks for the links.  Just to add a little from my personal experience. Back in the 1976-77 period  the Experiencer which you can see videos of, that I was engaged with was given data relating to Dec. 21st ( Winter Solstice ) 2012 viz;  that it was the "Dawn of lift of mind". In his case he underwent "Quantum elevation of Mind - Nous exponent 4- 8. It may be that the world will engage in a unique happening, I haven't a clue myself but I tend to adhere to consistant reality. The Mayan Calendar doesn't end on the date Dec. 21at 2012,  it begins a new Ahua Cycle. However in his Case much of reality was not consistent. View the video in the listing "Terence McKena Zuvuja" he invented some pretty interesting software based upon the I-Ching as a Time Line Bio-wave of Human History Process. Also another note, Remote Viewers are unanimously unable to see beyond the 2012 date, and they themselves do not understand why. They draw a blank when they attempt to view after that date. 

   In the Streiber Video it is stated the the Sun and Earth will align with the Galactic Center in Sagetarrious concluding the Grand Solar Cycle of 25,920 years ( 26,000 Rounded ) but the naunce is also that we will cross from the southern Node to begin the Northern Ascendent Node another Bio-wave configuration.

Experiencer Video's, I was personally directly engaged in this case for 7 years. here is the link:

>>>http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=jimfrazie22&hl=en&emb=0#<<<

Thge woman that describes him driving the car  in projection state with his eyes totally rolled up at 55 mph is telling the truth,  Iwas in that car that day on that trip and I still have the Audio Cassette recording of the entire event.

Regards,
John



-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> 
Dear Morten and all,

Here is an interview about the influence of released information on 
the public from the perspective of one of the bestselling novelists 
Whitley Streiber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuGRLfn2tU

And here a piece of suppressed technology:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your answer.
> 
> Anton wrote:
> "They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion."
> 
> LOL.
> 
> 
> Have any of you tried:
> "ET Contact: Dr. Steven Greer Pt.1 - Pt.12"
> (12 short videos with an Interview about Steven Greer's giving his 
own biography and work. His out-of-body-experiences as well as zero-
point energy talks etc. etc.) ?
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aw64jvyF0
> or 
www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9801/ET_Contact__Dr__Steven_Greer_Pt_
1/ 
> 
> 
> Or his book: "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge" ?
> 
> Is he really a theosophist or working for the masters?
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Anton Rozman 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> 
> Thanks John,
> 
> Good footages. I already see the last one as Aviano is only about 
150 
> km from my home. In the period February-April 1997 there were 
more 
> then 150 sightings in that area. This footage from July 1997 was 
sent 
> anonymously to ufo specialist, professor Chiumento. He comments 
on 
> the TV - below link
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJNqwe6LHY
> 
> that it is too clear to be true and that in such circumstances 
> interviews with witnesses are most important confirmation act of 
> authenticity. There are rumors that it was done by Italian 
military 
> to actually cover up the real activity there. And as this video 
was 
> very much promoted on Silvio Berlusconi's TV "Italia Uno" these 
> rumors are probably true.
> 
> There are a lot of NASA footages made by Shuttle outside earth 
> atmosphere and one can see that there is almost such traffic as 
on 
> the Frankfurt airport.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA
> 
> Therefore theosophical perspective of Mahatmas as still wearing 
> turbans and living in Tibetan valley is from my perspective a 
little 
> outdated. They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion.
> 
> And Morten, yes, UN would be most probably the best place for the 
> Disclosure.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Morten, Anton,
> > Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's 
> and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I here 
> post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 
Turkish:
> > 
> > Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> > 
> > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> > 
> > Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" at 
the 
> bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % 
and it 
> will not interfere with the Video play)
> > 
> > >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
> fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> > 
> > Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object was 
not 
> far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> > 
> > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> > 
> > Enjoy, regards,
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > Dear Anton and all readers
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, 
> precognition etc.) 
> > seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when 
one 
> deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental 
projects.
> > 
> > I said in the earlier email:
> > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
political, 
> military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
seriously 
> considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
(clairvoyance, 
> telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is 
of 
> course wrong.
> > 
> > This leads to the question: 
> > Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more - 
> forward about this quite - important issue?
> > (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important 
> because of various reasons. There are what some will 
call "security 
> issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought 
patterns to 
> concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if 
> this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, 
that a 
> great percentage of this planets population - especially in 
western 
> countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem 
quite 
> natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries 
India 
> and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as 
> breathing the air.
> > 
> > As long as various governments and countries for years have 
been 
> funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be 
of 
> importance.
> > We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a 
level, 
> ordinary humans cannot.
> > We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), 
hearing 
> aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can 
find 
> their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We 
know, 
> that a great number of species never kill each other and that 
they 
> are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anton Rozman 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on 
the 
> > issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible 
and 
> > fanatical views or egotism?<
> > 
> > Dear Morten, 
> > 
> > I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now 
known 
> > that intelligence community and still more secret agencies 
around 
> the 
> > world ran several secret projects on these topics and that 
findings 
> > were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to 
the 
> > people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect 
that 
> > they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Anton
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Dear Anton
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My views are:
> > > 
> > > Anton wrote:
> > > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > > American public. "
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > > 
> > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
political, 
> > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
seriously 
> > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> (clairvoyance, 
> > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL 
is of 
> > course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in 
using 
> > time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known 
as 
> the 
> > Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > research
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi John,
> > > 
> > > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I 
> > don't 
> > > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long 
> > time. 
> > > 
> > > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing 
classified 
> > > documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced 
> > projects 
> > > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect 
of 
> > this 
> > > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically 
change 
> > the 
> > > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in 
> > next 
> > > years.
> > > 
> > > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time 
I 
> > visit 
> > > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on 
the 
> > > American public. 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anton
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anton,
> > > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
> > having 
> > > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the 
USA 
> > as 
> > > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I 
made I 
> > used 
> > > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it 
who 
> > > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to 
> > > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
> > > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His 
objective 
> > was 
> > > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of 
the 
> > > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems 
never 
> > > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State 
of 
> > Utah 
> > > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he 
adamantly 
> > > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my 
> > dead 
> > > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago 
and 
> > he 
> > > is still in Office.
> > > > 
> > > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did 
take 
> > > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and 
> > > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
> > attempt to 
> > > find the truth about government withholding of information. 
Sen. 
> > > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the 
> > Senate 
> > > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun 
point 
> > when 
> > > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President 
> > Jimmy 
> > > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
> > > information made public. He was instructed he did not possess 
> > > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow 
him to 
> > be 
> > > briefed on what they denied they had. 
> > > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open 
> > > sunshine. 
> > > > 
> > > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from 
> > > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 
40 
> > > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's, 
> > > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with 
a 
> > > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host 
for 
> > the 
> > > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
> > book "Communion." 
> > > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
> > > extraterrestials.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > usa as regards ufo
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you very much for your views. 
> > > > 
> > > > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists 
one 
> > > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
> > > governments 
> > > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to 
courageous 
> > > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really 
> > going 
> > > on, 
> > > > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding 
> > > comparing 
> > > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's 
mind 
> > open.
> > > > 
> > > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > > 
> > > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
> > theosophists 
> > > > in this interview is that there are going on important 
changes 
> > on 
> > > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the 
passage 
> > will 
> > > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to 
solve 
> > our 
> > > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and 
innovative 
> > > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > > 
> > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anton
> > > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the 
UFO 
> > > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of 
it 
> > in 
> > > > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's 
in 
> > many 
> > > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily 
squash 
> > > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean 
and 
> > > would 
> > > > surely make public announcement. 
> > > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
> > > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and 
> > Orbital 
> > > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
> > describes 
> > > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru 
> > > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a 
> > close 
> > > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in 
> > every 
> > > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the 
Constellational 
> > > Zodiac). 
> > > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. 
If 
> > you 
> > > > Google his name you will find his several websites that 
related 
> > his 
> > > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
> > Senmut 
> > > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he 
extracts 
> > from 
> > > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of 
the 
> > 12th 
> > > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting 
study to 
> > > show 
> > > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
> > ancients 
> > > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his 
webpages.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the 
> > 12th 
> > > > Planet may have made close approach during the second 
middle 
> > period 
> > > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown 
the 
> > > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the 
andesite 
> > > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of 
man a 
> > > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed 
> > > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th 
> > Planets 
> > > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and 
rain of 
> > > it's 
> > > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial 
dragon 
> > > belching 
> > > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle 
> > with 
> > > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and 
his 
> > body 
> > > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis 
unable to 
> > > find 
> > > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor 
satellite 
> > the 
> > > fled 
> > > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
> > > catastrophe. 
> > > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards, 
> > > > > John
> > > > > 
> > > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview 
videos.
> > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
<silva_cass@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the 
apes 
> > and 
> > > not 
> > > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> > embryo 
> > > > > research
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't 
in 
> > > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and 
its 
> > > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 
years...this 
> > > could 
> > > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. 
com.au> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
embryo 
> > > research
> > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
> > legislation 
> > > > > allowing 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
> > research, 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, 
MPs 
> > in 
> > > the 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and 
> > > > > Fertilisation 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and 
could 
> > be 
> > > law 
> > > > by 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > November.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for 
months, 
> > would 
> > > > > also 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close 
> > genetic 
> > > > > match 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material 
can 
> > help 
> > > > > treat 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > them.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier 
> > access 
> > > to 
> > > > in-
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
> > requirements 
> > > for 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was 
about 
> > > > helping 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility 
assistance, 
> > and 
> > > > about 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, 
which 
> > > affects 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a 
human 
> > cell 
> > > > > into 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of 
stem 
> > cells 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > use in research into treating conditions like 
Alzheimer's 
> > and 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful 
diseases 
> > and 
> > > the 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in 
our 
> > > > society 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
> > framework 
> > > > that 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the 
> > > measures, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
> > Fraser 
> > > has 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit 
from 
> > > embryo 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > research.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including 
> > former 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
> > government 
> > > > > this 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups 
warned 
> > it 
> > > was 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative 
> > Party, 
> > > > told 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised 
the 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding 
between 
> > > > humans 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and animals.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
> > course of 
> > > > > this 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the 
> > > > possibility 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she 
said.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all 
sides 
> > that 
> > > the 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
> > abortion 
> > > > laws. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill 
was 
> > the 
> > > > > right 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > time to do this.
> > > > > > 
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