Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00968)

I want to add some more points to those mentioned in my message 47080.
 Richard Hodgson's main suspicion was Blavatsky wrote so called
Mahatma Letters with her own hand or they were written by somebody
under her supervision and Blavatsky presented them before people as if
they appeared from nowhere with magic.
Leadbeater's comment that "there was no fraud" was in this context and
what Leadbeater meant was they were not written by somebody with hand
and presented before people by petty trick, but were genuine occult
phenomena.
As I understand, Richard Hodgson did not focus on possibility that
letters could be produced using true occult powers and presented as
letters from Masters, when they were actually produced by Blavatsky
herself using occult powers, and not by Masters.
Best
Anand Gholap


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
> <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
> 
> > Now below I quote what C.W. Leadbeater tells his readers in HOW
> > THEOSOPHY CAME TO ME:
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > I could give you many instances in which she [H.P. Blavatsky] was
> > accused of deception, and I can tell you exactly what it was that
> > really happened, and can assure you that there was NO FRAUD whatever
> > in the matter. That much I do know for myself�.
> > 
> > He [Richard Hodgson of the Society for Psychical Research] decided
> > against H. P. B. in regard to the letters which came from the
> > Masters, saying that she had written them herself. I have myself
> > received such letters when she was thousands of miles away. I have
> > seen them come in her presence, and I have seen them come when she
> > was far away, and I know by irrefutable evidence that she did NOT
> > write those letters. I tell you this because I think it is valuable
> > for you to be able to say that you have seen or known of someone who
> > is willing to bear personal testimony that there was NO FRAUD about
> > such things. The testimony of one eye-witness outweighs the prejudice
> > of many people who, not being present, hear these things only at
> > third or thirteenth hand.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > Quoted from: http://www.cwlworld.info/html/madame_blavatsky.htm
> > CAPS ADDED
> > 
> > What does Anand think about Leadbeater's defense of H.P. Blavatsky
> > and the Mahatma letters???
> 
> What did it mean when Mr. Leadbeater says "there was no fraud"?
> From references brought earlier, certain points become clear about how
> so called Mahatma Letters came into existence. I am listing them here
> so that further analysis will have base of those facts. 
> According to Blavatsky 
> 1) Most of the letters were not written by Masters' hands. 
> 2) Letters were not dictated verbatim. That means every word of
> letters was not chosen by Masters.
> 3) Letters depended on chela's development and capacity to understand
> (Mahatma's thoughts).
> 
> For further analysis we need to remember these things which Blavatsky
> told about how letters were written.
> Next important question is who materialized Mahatma Letters. We know
> from writings of concerned people that many letters appeared from
> nowhere. That means they were brought into existence by occult powers.
> For the time being we will assume that they were materialized by
> occult powers and not written by hand by someone on paper and pushed
> before people using some cheap trick. 
> Here important question is who materialized Mahatma Letters using
> occult powers. If Masters had materialized Mahatma Letters, they will
> most probably use their own words making letters verbatim and
> independent of chela's development. 
> But from Blavatsky writing we know that letters were not verbatim and
> they depended on chela's development. That means there were some
> chelas who materialized Mahatma Letters, and Mahatmas did not
> materialize letters. 
> Next question is who were the chelas who materialized those letters.
> Most letters had connection with Blavatsky and she was mainly
> concerned about letters and she was a chela. That means Blavatsky
> materialized those letters either in her close physical proximity or
> at distant place from her. Other chelas like Subba Rao did not have
> much interest in Mahatma Letters and letters were not so much
> connected with them or their work. The Letters were strongly connected
> with Blavatsky and her work. These things suggest strongest
> possibility that it was Blavatsky who materialized so called Mahatma
> Letters. 
> Another question is what did Mr. Leadbeater mean when he said "there
> was no fraud" As I understand, he meant these words in only limited
> sense. What he meant was letters were not written by hand and pushed
> before people using a trick, but they were actually materialized using
> occult powers. Only in this limited sense Mr. Leadbeater said "there
> was no fraud".
> 
> Best
> Anand Gholap
>