Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00857)

Dear Anton and all readers

My views are:

The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition etc.) 
seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when one deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental projects.

I said in the earlier email:
Saying that no people at all in power structures like political, military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of course wrong.

This leads to the question: 
Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more - forward about this quite - important issue?
 (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important because of various reasons. There are what some will call "security issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought patterns to concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, that a great percentage of this planets population - especially in western countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem quite natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries India and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as breathing the air.

As long as various governments and countries for years have been funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be of importance.
We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a level, ordinary humans cannot.
We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), hearing aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can find their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We know, that a great number of species never kill each other and that they are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.




M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anton Rozman 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research


  >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on the 
  issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible and 
  fanatical views or egotism?<

  Dear Morten, 

  I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now known 
  that intelligence community and still more secret agencies around the 
  world ran several secret projects on these topics and that findings 
  were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to the 
  people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect that 
  they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!

  Best regards,
  Anton

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > Dear Anton
  > 
  > 
  > My views are:
  > 
  > Anton wrote:
  > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
  > American public. "
  > 
  > 
  > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
  > 
  > Saying that no people at all in power structures like political, 
  military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously 
  considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception (clairvoyance, 
  telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of 
  course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using 
  time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known as the 
  Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Anton Rozman 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
  research
  > 
  > 
  > Hi John,
  > 
  > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I 
  don't 
  > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long 
  time. 
  > 
  > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing classified 
  > documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced 
  projects 
  > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect of 
  this 
  > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically change 
  the 
  > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in 
  next 
  > years.
  > 
  > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time I 
  visit 
  > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
  > American public. 
  > 
  > Thanks,
  > Anton
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
  > >
  > > Anton,
  > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
  having 
  > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the USA 
  as 
  > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I made I 
  used 
  > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it who 
  > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to 
  > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
  > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His objective 
  was 
  > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of the 
  > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems never 
  > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State of 
  Utah 
  > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he adamantly 
  > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my 
  dead 
  > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago and 
  he 
  > is still in Office.
  > > 
  > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did take 
  > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and 
  > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
  attempt to 
  > find the truth about government withholding of information. Sen. 
  > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the 
  Senate 
  > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun point 
  when 
  > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President 
  Jimmy 
  > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
  > information made public. He was instructed he did not possess 
  > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow him to 
  be 
  > briefed on what they denied they had. 
  > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open 
  > sunshine. 
  > > 
  > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from 
  > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 40 
  > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's, 
  > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with a 
  > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host for 
  the 
  > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
  book "Communion." 
  > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
  > extraterrestials.
  > > 
  > > Regards,
  > > John
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > usa as regards ufo
  > > 
  > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
  > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
  > > Hi John,
  > > 
  > > Thank you very much for your views. 
  > > 
  > > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists one 
  > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
  > governments 
  > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to courageous 
  > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really 
  going 
  > on, 
  > > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding 
  > comparing 
  > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's mind 
  open.
  > > 
  > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
  > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
  > > 
  > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
  theosophists 
  > > in this interview is that there are going on important changes 
  on 
  > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the passage 
  will 
  > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to solve 
  our 
  > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and innovative 
  > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
  > > 
  > > Warmest regards,
  > > Anton
  > > 
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
  > > >
  > > > Anton
  > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the UFO 
  > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of it 
  in 
  > > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's in 
  many 
  > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily squash 
  > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean and 
  > would 
  > > surely make public announcement. 
  > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
  > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and 
  Orbital 
  > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
  describes 
  > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru 
  > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a 
  close 
  > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in 
  every 
  > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the Constellational 
  > Zodiac). 
  > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. If 
  you 
  > > Google his name you will find his several websites that related 
  his 
  > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
  Senmut 
  > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he extracts 
  from 
  > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of the 
  12th 
  > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting study to 
  > show 
  > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
  ancients 
  > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his webpages.
  > > > 
  > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the 
  12th 
  > > Planet may have made close approach during the second middle 
  period 
  > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown the 
  > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the andesite 
  > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of man a 
  > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed 
  > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th 
  Planets 
  > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and rain of 
  > it's 
  > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial dragon 
  > belching 
  > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle 
  with 
  > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and his 
  body 
  > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis unable to 
  > find 
  > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor satellite 
  the 
  > fled 
  > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
  > catastrophe. 
  > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
  > > > 
  > > > Regards, 
  > > > John
  > > > 
  > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview videos.
  > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
  > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
  > > > Hi all,
  > > > 
  > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
  > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
  > > > 
  > > > Best regards,
  > > > Anton
  > > > 
  > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> 
  wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the apes 
  and 
  > not 
  > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
  > > > > 
  > > > > Cass
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > ________________________________
  > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
  > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
  > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
  embryo 
  > > > research
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't in 
  > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and its 
  > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 years...this 
  > could 
  > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
  > > > > 
  > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au> 
  wrote:
  > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
  > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
  > research
  > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
  > > > > 
  > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
  legislation 
  > > > allowing 
  > > > > 
  > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
  research, 
  > > in 
  > > > > 
  > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, MPs 
  in 
  > the 
  > > > > 
  > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and 
  > > > Fertilisation 
  > > > > 
  > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
  > > > > 
  > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and could 
  be 
  > law 
  > > by 
  > > > > 
  > > > > November.
  > > > > 
  > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for months, 
  would 
  > > > also 
  > > > > 
  > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close 
  genetic 
  > > > match 
  > > > > 
  > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material can 
  help 
  > > > treat 
  > > > > 
  > > > > them.
  > > > > 
  > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier 
  access 
  > to 
  > > in-
  > > > > 
  > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
  requirements 
  > for 
  > > > > 
  > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was about 
  > > helping 
  > > > > 
  > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility assistance, 
  and 
  > > about 
  > > > > 
  > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, which 
  > affects 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 350,000 Britons.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a human 
  cell 
  > > > into 
  > > > > 
  > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of stem 
  cells 
  > > for 
  > > > > 
  > > > > use in research into treating conditions like Alzheimer's 
  and 
  > > > > 
  > > > > Parkinson's.
  > > > > 
  > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful diseases 
  and 
  > the 
  > > > > 
  > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in our 
  > > society 
  > > > > 
  > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
  > > > > 
  > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
  framework 
  > > that 
  > > > > 
  > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
  > > > > 
  > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the 
  > measures, 
  > > > > 
  > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
  Fraser 
  > has 
  > > > > 
  > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit from 
  > embryo 
  > > > > 
  > > > > research.
  > > > > 
  > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including 
  former 
  > > > > 
  > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
  government 
  > > > this 
  > > > > 
  > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups warned 
  it 
  > was 
  > > > the 
  > > > > 
  > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
  > > > > 
  > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative 
  Party, 
  > > told 
  > > > > 
  > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised the 
  > > > > 
  > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding between 
  > > humans 
  > > > > 
  > > > > and animals.
  > > > > 
  > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
  course of 
  > > > this 
  > > > > 
  > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the 
  > > possibility 
  > > > of 
  > > > > 
  > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she said.
  > > > > 
  > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all sides 
  that 
  > the 
  > > > > 
  > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
  abortion 
  > > laws. 
  > > > > 
  > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill was 
  the 
  > > > right 
  > > > > 
  > > > > time to do this.
  > > > > 
  > > > > -AFP
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