Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00833)

Anton,
   Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy having had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the USA as regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I made I used the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it who would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to assemble  a large congregation of Military, Scientists, Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His objective was to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of the assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems never happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State of Utah Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he adamantly refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my dead body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago and he is still in Office.

    In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did take place many years ago to no avail  of the cause of openness and honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did attempt to find the truth about government withholding of information. Sen. Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the Senate even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun point when he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President Jimmy Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the information made public. He was instructed he did not possess the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow him to be briefed on what they denied they had.  
   And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open sunshine. 

   Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 40 million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's, Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with a plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host for the Program is Whitley Streiber  who wrote the famous book "Communion." It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the extraterrestials.

Regards,
John











usa as regards ufo

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From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> 
Hi John,

Thank you very much for your views. 

In my opinion the key information here is that there exists one 
another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our governments 
and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to courageous 
insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really going on, 
while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding comparing 
various sources. It is really good training to keep one's mind open.

You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/

But, in my view, even more important message for us as theosophists 
in this interview is that there are going on important changes on 
this world and that we can largely contribute that the passage will 
be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to solve our 
inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and innovative 
manner we will do our best service to the humanity.

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Anton
> Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the UFO 
Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of it in 
present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's in many 
different nations, some of which would not necessarily squash 
knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean and would 
surely make public announcement. 
> There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and Orbital 
Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that describes 
it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru 
(Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a close 
approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in every 
Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the Constellational Zodiac). 
Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. If you 
Google his name you will find his several websites that related his 
findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the Senmut 
Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he extracts from 
the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of the 12th 
Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting study to show 
actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the ancients 
which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his webpages.
> 
> I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the 12th 
Planet may have made close approach during the second middle period 
of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown the 
catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the andesite 
artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of man a 
subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed 
consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th Planets 
Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and rain of it's 
pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial dragon belching 
fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle with 
Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and his body 
parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis unable to find 
his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor satellite the fled 
into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the catastrophe. 
Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> 
> Regards, 
> John
> 
> PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview videos.
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> From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> 
> Best regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the apes and not 
> the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > 
> > Cass
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> > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > 
> > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't in 
> Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and its 
> heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 years...this could 
> mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au> wrote:
> > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > 
> > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved legislation 
> allowing 
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> > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical research, 
in 
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> > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > 
> > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, MPs in the 
> > 
> > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and 
> Fertilisation 
> > 
> > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > 
> > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and could be law 
by 
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> > November.
> > 
> > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for months, would 
> also 
> > 
> > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close genetic 
> match 
> > 
> > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material can help 
> treat 
> > 
> > them.
> > 
> > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier access to 
in-
> > 
> > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing requirements for 
> > 
> > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > 
> > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was about 
helping 
> > 
> > the one in seven couples who needed fertility assistance, and 
about 
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> > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, which affects 
> > 
> > 350,000 Britons.
> > 
> > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a human cell 
> into 
> > 
> > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of stem cells 
for 
> > 
> > use in research into treating conditions like Alzheimer's and 
> > 
> > Parkinson's.
> > 
> > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful diseases and the 
> > 
> > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in our 
society 
> > 
> > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > 
> > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical framework 
that 
> > 
> > works on behalf of humankind."
> > 
> > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the measures, 
> > 
> > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son Fraser has 
> > 
> > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit from embryo 
> > 
> > research.
> > 
> > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including former 
> > 
> > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the government 
> this 
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> > month, voted against the bill and religious groups warned it was 
> the 
> > 
> > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > 
> > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative Party, 
told 
> > 
> > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised the 
> > 
> > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding between 
humans 
> > 
> > and animals.
> > 
> > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the course of 
> this 
> > 
> > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the 
possibility 
> of 
> > 
> > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she said.
> > 
> > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all sides that the 
> > 
> > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the abortion 
laws. 
> > 
> > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill was the 
> right 
> > 
> > time to do this.
> > 
> > -AFP
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