Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00816)

Anand,

You write to me:

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I wonder how you and Pedro can say Leadbeater was wrong about Mars and
Mercury....
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Really???

Do you seriously believe that Leadbeater was right and correct about 
Mars???

Readers can see how Leadbeater describes Mars by going to:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/leadbeatermars.htm

Anand, do you believe that on Mars there are (to quote 
Leadbeater) "forests and cultivated fields, and vegetation of all 
sorts"?

Anand, do you yourself accept Leadbeater's statement that there are 
Martians on Mars and "in physical appearance the Martians are not 
unlike ourselves, except that they are considerably smaller"?

Do you really believe that some of these Martians "are blondes and 
brunettes, some of the people having a faintly yellowish skin and 
black hair, while the majority have yellow hair and blue or violet 
eyes - somewhat Norwegian in appearance"?

Are you telling me that you believe that the Martians "are very fond 
of flowers, of which there is a great variety, and their towns are 
built on the general plan of the garden-city, the houses usually 
being one-storeyed only, but built round inner courtyards and 
straggling over a great deal of ground...."?

Anand, are you telling us that this description of Mars by Leadbeater 
is true, accurate, factual, reliable and ..... REAL????

And yet Mr. Leadbeater assures his readers that he knows that all of 
this is true.  Why?  Because he says:

"The information which I have given above is based upon observation 
and inquiry during various visits to the planet...."

I suggest you compare what Leadbeater says about Mars with what you 
can find at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars

Anand, what scientific evidence is there to confirm any of 
Leadbeater's clairvoyant information about Mars????

Now turning to what you say about Madame Blavatsky.

You write:

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I wonder how you and Pedro can say Leadbeater was wrong about Mars and
Mercury.

Here are the passages from Blavatsky's writing....

To a considerable extent Blavatsky's writing supports Leadbeater's
claims of life and habitation on Mars and Mercury. Blavatsky did not
describe in detail the life of people on Mars and Mercury. Because of
it, it is not possible to prove Leadbeater's in detail observation was
wrong by comparing it with Blavatsky's writing.
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But if other Theos-Talk readers go to:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/leadbeatermars.htm

they will see that you Anand leave out some important paragraphs from 
what HPB wrote.

I quote those statements of HPB that you leave out:

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 . . We find in the romances as in all the so-called scientific 
fictions and spiritistic revelations from moon, stars, and planets, 
merely fresh combinations or modifications of the men and things, the 
passions and forms of life with which we are familiar, when even on 
the other planets of our own system nature and life are entirely 
different from ours. Swedenborg was pre-eminent in inculcating such 
an erroneous belief....

Many are the romances and tales, some purely fanciful, others 
bristling with scientific knowledge, which have attempted to imagine 
and describe life on other globes. But one and all, they give but 
some distorted copy of the drama of life around us. It is either, 
with Voltaire, the men of our own race under a microscope, or, with 
de Bergerac, a graceful play of fancy and satire; but we always find 
that at bottom the new world is but the one we ourselves live in. So 
strong is this tendency that even great natural, though non-initiated 
seers, when untrained, fall a victim to it; witness Swedenborg, who 
goes so far as to dress the inhabitants of Mercury, whom he meets 
with in the spirit-world, in clothes such as are worn in Europe. 
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Notice, Anand, what HPB writes about Swedenborg and ask yourself if 
Leadbeater does this too?????

HPB tells us that "non-initiated seers, when untrained," fall victim 
to this "tendency".  Hmmm, could we include Leadbeater and his 
clairvoyance in this category of "seers"???

And turning to Leadbeater's statement which reads:

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At the present time this secret society [on Mars] is very widely
spread, and at the head of it at this moment is a pupil of ONE OF OUR
MASTERS. Even now after all these centuries its existence is not
officially known to the authorities [on Mars]...
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But I will not comment on the relevance of this paragraph to our
discussion until you state your own position in regards to my 
question:

Do you seriously believe that Leadbeater was right and correct about 
Mars???

Daniel
http://hpb.cc