Re: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
Oct 19, 2008 07:35 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Allright.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: alex
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
My Brother, let's just forget about it, I shared my view and thought
that many felt the same way. So I was wrong, nobody cares, I guess it
means that I'm "thin-skinned" or people are afraid to say anything.
Maybe I've missed all the useful things he wrote, maybe I don't know
what useful is and have no sense of humor. Whatever the case is life
goes on.
If he provokes some meaningful thoughts, and gives us a chance to
practice patience, loving kindness and compassion then I am sorry to
have interfered. With this view he becomes the source of our
Enlightenment - let our skins grow thiker, our hearts more open, and
our minds more stable and centered in the divine.
Alex
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
>
> Allright.
> Do you know about any ALIVE groups?
> Do you know of groups where the members are not only having the
agenda of telling people, that they do not know what to do, and at
the same time avoid telling them what is the proper thing to do - and
why ?
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alex
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:31 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
knowledge of theosophy."
>
>
> Your new group, you didn't have to do that for me, there are
plenty
> of dead theosophical groups already and I could've made one
myself if
> I wanted to.
> Of course have it if you choose to.
> I'll see you around, I'm strting to get attached over here
without
> getting anything done.
> Take care
>
> Alex
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Aeehm...Delete what?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: alex
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:57 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of theosophy."
> >
> >
> > LOL OKAY.
> > Thank you Morten you are doing a great job.
> > I'll stop whining now, it's just new for this thin-skinned.
> > Please delete that thing Great Heart! :)
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Alex
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > I write these words out of compassion seeking to be of
service.
> > > Criticism of our theosophical doctrines will as far as I and
> others
> > are concerned always be allowed within the theosophical
> teachings. At
> > least until the level of thought begins its Pralaya in this
> > Manvantara.
> > >
> > > People will never learn if they agree all the time.
> > > And that is not good if they in fact spiritually speaking
need
> to
> > learn.
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex wrote:
> > > "but it's quite
> > > another to have a person who is consistently spreading
foolish
> and
> > > misleading vibes with full knowledge."
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight says:
> > > You claim he has "full knowledge". Do you, yourself, have
> enough
> > knowledge to forward this claim?
> > > We never seek to turn our back on anyone, who honestly claim
to
> be
> > a Seeker after Truth. We know and recognise that all human
beings
> are
> > important and deserves help and not the opposite.
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex wrote:
> > > "because you are not considering the many faces he has
> > > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. "
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight says:
> > > Perhaps not. How many do you - actually - know of?
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex wrote:
> > > "I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a
> decade,
> > his
> > > every post leaves a bad aftertaste."
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight says:
> > > Do you have some examples on this "bad aftertaste"?
> > >
> > >
> > > I suggest: Let us not as theosophists Demonize anyone.
> > >
> > > - - -
> > > Yet, I will agree, that this place is not - that - attractive
> to
> > what we call thin-skinned Seekers after Truth.
> > >
> > > So - I have just created a Theos-Talk-Heart (
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart ) forum. And you
> are
> > welcome to invite all the members you claim, have been turned
> away.
> > > I will moderate it, seeking more Heart. No Chuck
personalities
> and
> > similar "villains" will be allowed. - Allright?
> > > :-)
> > > Let us all do an effort.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alex
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:37 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise
a
> > knowledge of theosophy."
> > >
> > >
> > > Morten, I do not find those views to be irrelevant for Theos-
> > talk, I
> > > just think that this case is something different.
> > >
> > > It's one thing to try and help ignorant people, have healthy
> > debates,
> > > question everything we read, hear and believe in etc., but
it's
> > quite
> > > another to have a person who is consistently spreading
foolish
> > and
> > > misleading vibes with full knowledge.
> > >
> > > So I'm not sure what good help is possible, in my view what
you
> > call
> > > compassion and theosophical could just be a form of
foolishness
> > and
> > > selfishness because you are not considering the many faces he
> has
> > > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here.
> > > I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a
> decade,
> > his
> > > every post leaves a bad aftertaste.
> > >
> > > It's like one of us joining Demonosophy World to preach and
> > > popularise the knowledge of Theosophy. Weird.
> > >
> > > Alex the Heretic
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Alex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I find your intentions to be good, but not quite
> compassionate.
> > > > And the view you are offering are not really quite
> theosophical
> > > teaching.
> > > >
> > > > Try the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members
at
> > > Theos-talk into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various
> degree's.
> > > >
> > > > Blavatsky said:
> > > > "He who objects to having his views controverted and
> criticized
> > > must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given
good
> > proofs
> > > of our impartiality. We published articles and letters
> > criticizing
> > > not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views,
> but
> > > discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal
> > honour
> > > and reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not
> > simple
> > > doubts, but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were
> cast
> > > into our teeth and our private character was torn to shreds
> > (Vide "A
> > > Glance at Theosophy from the Outside", Lucifer for October,
> > 1888).
> > > And if the editor will never shrink from what she considers
her
> > duty
> > > to her readers, and that she is prepared to throw every
> possible
> > > light upon mooted questions in order that truth should shine
> > bright
> > > and hideous lies and superstitions be shown under their true
> > colours -
> > > why should our contributors prove themselves so thin-skinned?"
> > > > ( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer
> Magazine
> > > 1888)
> > > >
> > > > So I will have to disagree a bit with your ideas. I would
> > rather
> > > recommend, that the members at this place learn to control
> their
> > > emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life.
> > Everything
> > > is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not that).
> > > > I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what
H.
> > P.
> > > Blavatsky did and said.
> > > > If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above views irrelevant to use
> at
> > > Theos-talk I would like to know why.
> > > > Do you have any ideas?
> > > > May I ask:If you only help your friends and only talk to
your
> > > friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: alex
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and
popularise
> a
> > > knowledge of theosophy."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those
Sufi
> > > stories.
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I
> > confronted
> > > him.
> > > > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to
> worry
> > > about
> > > > me, things don't really bother me anymore.
> > > > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in
the
> > > center
> > > > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything
we
> > > live
> > > > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just
about
> me
> > > and
> > > > those who have passively settled for this circus here.
Sure,
> I
> > > can
> > > > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read
> only
> > > from
> > > > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a
> newbie
> > > to
> > > > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this
> person
> > > run
> > > > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring
> > > > Theosophist?
> > > >
> > > > I will show you a recent example of what goes on:
> > > > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
> > > >
> > > > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether
> > > they're
> > > > aware of it or not.
> > > > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
> > > > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who
led
> &
> > > leads
> > > > many other lost souls to their damnation."
> > > >
> > > > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a
> > > > distracting cancer from the body.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> > <global-
> > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Alex
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not the moderator on this list.
> > > > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do
> you
> > > not
> > > > agree on that Chuck?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of
> Chuck's
> > e-
> > > > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you
can -
> > > not -
> > > > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content,
please
> > let
> > > me
> > > > know.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you
grow
> > > > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck
> > writes
> > > in
> > > > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-
mails
> I
> > > > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-
)
> > > > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below.
> > > > >
> > > > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his
> behaviour
> > > > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea.
Do
> > you
> > > not
> > > > agree?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
> > > > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
> > > > >
> > > > > - - - - - - -
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.
> > > > > THE REMEDY
> > > > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great
> > conqueror
> > > > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
> > > > >
> > > > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the
Mulla
> > and
> > > said:
> > > > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we
> stop
> > > their
> > > > evil work?'
> > > > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the
> > criminals,'
> > > > said Nasrudin.
> > > > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
> > > > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the
> Mulla
> > > > reminded him
> > > > >
> > > > > - - - - - - -
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.
> > > > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
> > > > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge,
but
> > did
> > > not
> > > > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a
local
> > > wise
> > > > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random
> > assumptions
> > > > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing.
He
> > ran
> > > to
> > > > the wise man 5 house.
> > > > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
> > > > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
> > > > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,'
> he
> > > > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been
ap-
> > > pointed
> > > > the magistrate in the next town.'
> > > > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla
> trudged
> > to
> > > the
> > > > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his
fist
> at
> > > him:
> > > > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
> > > > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you
> > talk
> > > to
> > > > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
> > > > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the
> best
> > > > authority that you are my donkey.'
> > > > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would
credit
> > > such a
> > > > thing!'
> > > > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what
you
> > like
> > > he
> > > > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man
rather
> > > than
> > > > that of a donkey.'
> > > > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when
> one
> > > is
> > > > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment
> as
> > > and
> > > > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes
trying
> to
> > > > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to
the
> > > people
> > > > who are able to receive it:
> > > > >
> > > > > - - - - - - -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: alex
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and
> popularise
> > a
> > > > knowledge of theosophy."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this funny for everyone here?
> > > > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this
> and
> > > even
> > > > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I
> > don't
> > > > know
> > > > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting
your
> > > > messages
> > > > > from my inbox.
> > > > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing
> around
> > > > that
> > > > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on
> the
> > > > whole
> > > > > group and leave.
> > > > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't
think
> > we
> > > > need
> > > > > to see this nonsense anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn
> things
> > > > around,
> > > > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to
abandon
> > the
> > > > path
> > > > > of sorcery and black magic?
> > > > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership,
> > peoples
> > > > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run
> and
> > > > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas!
> > > > > What do you think? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of
> those
> > > > obsolete
> > > > > ideas of
> > > > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on
> > finding
> > > > what
> > > > > really is
> > > > > > going on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central
> Daylight
> > > > Time,
> > > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so
called
> > > moral
> > > > code
> > > > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial,
> charity,
> > > > etc.,
> > > > > we
> > > > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
> > > > > >
_http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._
> > > > > > (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-
choh.htm)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute
> > this "theosophy"?
> > > > And
> > > > > if
> > > > > > so, what are these teachings?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And where do we find these teachings?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that
in
> > turn
> > > we
> > > > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected
officials
> > of
> > > the
> > > > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical
> > > > organization
> > > > > > or association.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one,
> must, --
> > > > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give
> > become
> > > > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is
> > > absolutely
> > > > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its
> theories,
> > > > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct
> > inferences
> > > > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence
furnished
> by
> > > > modern
> > > > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a
> > synonym
> > > of
> > > > > > truth....
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one"
and
> > > where
> > > > can
> > > > > we
> > > > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by
H.P.
> > > > Blavatsky?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie
> > > Besant's "Man,
> > > > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant
> > > > Investigation"W
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by
> Elizabeth
> > > > Claire
> > > > > > Prophet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy,
what
> > > > exactly do
> > > > > > we popularise?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of
> reincarnation
> > > that
> > > > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be
> reborn
> > as
> > > > > > animals?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not
> transmitting
> > the
> > > > > > DOCTRINE?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL,
> > TRUE "doctrine"
> > > is?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE
> is
> > > all
> > > > > about,
> > > > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer]
> > discover
> > > > what
> > > > > the
> > > > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high
> > regard?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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