Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00442)

Oh, there was a lot of animosity over India.  And as far as their  Royals 
being related, hell, when WW! broke out everyone was a grand-offspring of  Queen 
Victoria at some level and that did not stop them.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 10/16/2008 7:21:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
I am not so sure that the Brits had anomisity towards the Russians - after  
all they were all related

Cass

----- Original Message  ----
From: MKR <_mkr777@gmail.mkr_ (mailto:mkr777@gmail.com) >
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Thursday, 16 October, 2008 10:52:29 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: "...we  have to preach and popularise a 
knowledge of theos...

Chuck: I did not  know all these connections. Now, I can get some real sense
why they were  chosen to launch the TS project, not any run of the mill
bureucrat or  academician. In those days, British Residents were all powerful
and could  have put them in the next ship and sent them out. But dare not do
it due  the various International issues you mentioned. I could see  the
frustrations that the Residents went thru dealing with the gordian knot  of
dealing with them.

mkr

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:49 PM,  <Drpsionic@aol. com> wrote:

> She certainly ended up preaching  them.
>
> The peculiar social positions of not only HPB but Col.  Olcott as well
> created all manner of trouble for the British. They did  not want them in
> India but
> they could not throw them out  because they were there with US diplomatic
> passports and in those days  wars started over that sort of thing. HPB
> herself
> had family  connections that made her more than a little relative (and the
>  word
> "little" applied to HPB is peculiar to say the least. She would  only be
> considered little in relation to an aircraft carrier.), her  cousin, Count
> Witte
> became Prime Minister of Russia. Col.  Olcott was a drinking buddy of the US
>
> President and when they  arrived in Ceylon, the US consul in Colombia had
> been
> under  Olcott during the Civil War. (Or, as we Northerners call it, The War
>  of the Slaveholders' Rebellion) I've always found it more than a  little
> amusing that their biographers tend to overlook the importance  of those
> connections.
>
> The situation of a Russian  noblewoman with her family connections, even
> though now a US citizen,  and someone who had been really highly placed in
> US
> politics,  combined with the close diplomatic ties between Russia and the US
>  at
> that time must have driven the British mad with paranoia. We tend  to look
> at
> these things through the lens of the Cold War, but  during most of the 19th
> Century Russia and US were very closely  aligned and during the Civil War
> Russia
> had been a de-facto  ally of the Union. At the close of the Civil War, the
> British were  terrified that the Union Navy, whose effective combat strength
>  at
> that time actually dwarfed the British Navy and could have easily  swept the
>
> Union Jack from the seas, would join with the  Russians to seize India in
> retaliation for Britain's role on the side  of the rebels. (This became on
> odd
> theme in Europe and as late  as WW2, Goebbels wrote in his diary that the US
> was
> going to  demand India as payment from the British for saving their skins.
>  Nonsense of course, but the idea was still floating around even  then.(
>
> So the "trade mission" of Blavatsky and Olcott to India  looked a lot
> different to the Brits than it did to anyone else. They  saw it is a prelude
> to
> something very bad but they were not  quite sure what.
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
>
> In  a message dated 10/15/2008 7:09:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>  silva_cass@yahoo. com <silva_cass% 40yahoo.com> writes:
>
>  I imagine she was regarded by the Victorian British Aristocracy at the  
time
>
> as that meddling little relative of the Tsar causing  nothing but trouble
> and
> dissention in the Empire - I imagine  she operated in the Victorian system -
>
> well there was nothing  outside of it to operate under - but as far as
> embracing it - I say no  - I say she didn't appear to follow the social
> morays of her
>  day.
>
> Cass
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>  From: "_Drpsionic@  From<_Drpsionic% 40aol.Drp> _  (mailto:
> Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic%40aol. com>) "  
<_Drpsionic@_Drpsion<_Drpsionic% 40aol.Drp> _
>
>  (mailto:Drpsionic@  (mai<Drpsionic%40aol. com>) >
> To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To:  _theos-talk@ 
yah<theos-theos-<WBR>talk% 40yahoo>)
>
> Sent:  Thursday, 16 October, 2008 2:37:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:  "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of  theos...
>
> That's just what I said!
>
> Chuck the  Heretic
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2008 8:33:09 A.M. Central  Daylight Time,
> silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
>
> Well  Chuck, you can't get away from the rellies no matter how hard you  
try.
>
> If she drew on her own inheritance I don't see a problem  with it, at least
> it didn't come out of the public  coffers.
>
> She wasn't bringing these teachings as a missionary  but to well educated -
> well connected victorian intellectuals - how  else would her works have been
>
> published had she been a little  unknown russian gypsy fortune teller?
>
> Cass
>
>  ----- Original Message ----
> From: "_Drpsionic@ From: "_Drpsionic@  <WBR>aol. Drp_From:
> "_Drps<_Drpsionic@ _Drpsionic@  <WB
> (mailto:Drpsionic@ (mailto:Dr>
> To: _theos-talk@  yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
> Sent:  Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 3:35:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:  "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of  theos...
>
> Hardly. That is the image. The real HPB was always  Countess Yelena
> Petrovna Blavatskaya, and although she dropped the  Countess when she became
>
> an
> American citizen, she was  always able to draw funds from the Russian
> government
> set  aside by her family and her social rank opened a lot of doors that
>  otherwise would have been slammed in her face. And that standing  enabled
> her
> to get
> away with what she  did.
>
> She was a character, but she was very very much a part of  her time even
> though she made fun of it, just like I am a part of my  time even though I
> make
> fun of everything.
>
> Now  understand that I am not attacking HPB for any of this. It is merely
>  important that we realize the essentials of her humanity and how they
>  impacted
> her work.
>
> Chuck the heretic
>
>  In a message dated 10/14/2008 5:58:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>  silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
>
> But Chuck, HPB sat outside the  Victorian system and in fact mocked it
> through its religion and its  social morays - smoking being a minor but
> prime
>
>  example of not conforming to the 'ladylike" victorian image.
>
>  Cass
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "_Drpsionic@  From: "_Drpsionic@ <WBR>aol. Drp_From:
> "_Drps<_Drpsionic@  _Drpsionic@ <WB
> (mailto:Drpsionic@ (mailto:Dr>
> To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>  Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 2:32:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World  Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of  theos...
>
> I am saying that HPB was clearly wrong and when she  said that she was
> merely
> being a person of her time and  culture. She was being a good Victorian,
> wanting to create a social  system for other people to live in. It was a
> sort
> of
>  weird blip in the zeitgeist.
>
> As to how, there are any number  of systems, Zen coming to mind immediately.
>
> Chuck the  Heretic
>
> In a message dated 10/14/2008 9:15:41 A.M. Central  Daylight Time,
> adelasie@sbcglobal. net writes:
>
>  Assuming you are making a serious statement, may I suggest that
>  behavior is the path to enlightenment? When HPB said that (and I
>  paraphrase) occultism is altruism, wasn't she suggesting that it is
>  how we behave more than what we read that determines our progress in
>  the evolution of consciousness? How does a person attain
> enlightenment  in a material form without regard to behavior?
>
>  Adelasie
>
> On 13 Oct 2008 at 22:37, _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_  (mailto:Drpsionic@ On 13 Oct
>
> wrote:
>
>  >
> > No, it really doesn't. It just gets in the way at all kinds  of
> > levels. And
> > in regard to the nature of the cosmos  it really does not matter. When
> > the
> > Sun goes nova,  the just and the unjust will fry alike.
> >
> > We really  need to separate behavior from enlightenment, otherwise we
> >  will
> > keep tripping over Musashi, who attained enlightenment by  the process
> > of
> > killing sixty three men in single  combat.
> >
> > Chuck the heretic
>
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