Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00439)

I do not know.

mkr


On 10/16/08, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   MKR -are you saying that the dugpa work has been completed on the TS and
> that it was a success?
>
> Cass
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 17 October, 2008 3:32:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of theosophy."
>
> I beg to differ. You are mistaken, Alex.
>
> I heard, Dugpas are too busy working on our voting rights and other secret
> projects, they have no time for this group. Also, no one respects them
> here.
>
> mkr
>
> On 10/14/08, alex <alexmorgan777@ hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi stories.
> >
> > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I confronted him.
> > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry about
> > me, things don't really bother me anymore.
> > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the center
> > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we live
> > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about me and
> > those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I can
> > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk' , read only from
> > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie to
> > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person run
> > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring
> > Theosophist?
> >
> > I will show you a recent example of what goes on:
> > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
> >
> > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether they're
> > aware of it or not.
> > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
> > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led & leads
> > many other lost souls to their damnation."
> >
> > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a
> > distracting cancer from the body.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "Morten
> > Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@.. .> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Alex
> > >
> > > I am not the moderator on this list.
> > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you not
> > agree on that Chuck?
> > >
> > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's e-
> > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - not -
> > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let me
> > know.
> > >
> > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow
> > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck writes in
> > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
> > >
> > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I
> > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-)
> > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below.
> > >
> > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour
> > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do you not
> > agree?
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.... ...
> > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > > 1.
> > > THE REMEDY
> > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror
> > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
> > >
> > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and said:
> > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop their
> > evil work?'
> > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the criminals,'
> > said Nasrudin.
> > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
> > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla
> > reminded him
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > > 2.
> > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
> > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did not
> > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local wise
> > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random assumptions
> > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran to
> > the wise man 5 house.
> > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
> > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
> > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he
> > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-pointed
> > the magistrate in the next town.'
> > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to the
> > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at him:
> > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
> > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk to
> > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
> > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best
> > authority that you are my donkey.'
> > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit such a
> > thing!'
> > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like he
> > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than
> > that of a donkey.'
> > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one is
> > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as and
> > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to
> > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the people
> > who are able to receive it:
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alex
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> > knowledge of theosophy."
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this funny for everyone here?
> > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and even
> > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I don't
> > know
> > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your
> > messages
> > > from my inbox.
> > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around
> > that
> > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the
> > whole
> > > group and leave.
> > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we
> > need
> > > to see this nonsense anymore.
> > >
> > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things
> > around,
> > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the
> > path
> > > of sorcery and black magic?
> > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples
> > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and
> > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas!
> > > What do you think? :)
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those
> > obsolete
> > > ideas of
> > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on finding
> > what
> > > really is
> > > > going on.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight
> > Time,
> > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called moral
> > code
> > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity,
> > etc.,
> > > we
> > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
> > > >
> > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
> > > > _http://www.theosoci http://www. theoshttp: //wwhttp: //www._
> > > > (http://www.theosoci ety.org/pasadena /mahatma/ ml-choh.htm)
> > > >
> > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
> > > >
> > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute this "theosophy"?
> > And
> > > if
> > > > so, what are these teachings?
> > > >
> > > > And where do we find these teachings?
> > > >
> > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn we
> > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
> > > >
> > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials of the
> > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
> > > >
> > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical
> > organization
> > > > or association.
> > > >
> > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
> > > >
> > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
> > > >
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
> > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
> > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is absolutely
> > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
> > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct inferences
> > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by
> > modern
> > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a synonym of
> > > > truth....
> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> > > >
> > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
> > > >
> > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
> > > >
> > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and where
> > can
> > > we
> > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
> > > >
> > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P.
> > Blavatsky?
> > > >
> > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie Besant's "Man,
> > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant
> > Investigation" W
> > > >
> > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth
> > Claire
> > > > Prophet?
> > > >
> > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what
> > exactly do
> > > > we popularise?
> > > >
> > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
> > > >
> > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation that
> > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn as
> > > > animals?
> > > >
> > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
> > > >
> > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting the
> > > > DOCTRINE?
> > > >
> > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine" is?
> > > >
> > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is all
> > > about,
> > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover
> > what
> > > the
> > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
> > > >
> > > > Daniel
> > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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