Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00405)

Have you seen the movie on guru? Should look like a guru, beard and all that
and be in a guru uniform. Then it is an easy sell.

In our Hindu Temple, guru's properly attired command a lot of attention and
respect. One time I was joking that I should put on guru attire, so everyone
will listen to what I have to say, which is of course theosophy and
brotherhood.

mkr


On 10/16/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
>
>   Well If I were just as good as you are predicting the outcome of an
> event I would probably
> run around like a guru.
> :-)
>
> M. Sufilight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MKR
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> knowledge of theosophy."
>
> You will get a lot of subscribers soon, overwhelming the group. Googling
> "heart", many wiht heart troubles will find it and be seeking cure for
> their
> heart ailments. May be we should start charging for advise starting at
> $500.00 for 200 words of advise. many in the USA associate high price with
> quality and effectiveness. we have to be careful not run into violation of
> any medical laws!!!
>
> mkr
>
> On 10/16/08, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk<global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Alex
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > I write these words out of compassion seeking to be of service.
> > Criticism of our theosophical doctrines will as far as I and others are
> > concerned always be allowed within the theosophical teachings. At least
> > until the level of thought begins its Pralaya in this Manvantara.
> >
> > People will never learn if they agree all the time.
> > And that is not good if they in fact spiritually speaking need to learn.
> >
> > Alex wrote:
> > "but it's quite
> > another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish and
> > misleading vibes with full knowledge."
> >
> > M. Sufilight says:
> > You claim he has "full knowledge". Do you, yourself, have enough
> knowledge
> > to forward this claim?
> > We never seek to turn our back on anyone, who honestly claim to be a
> Seeker
> > after Truth. We know and recognise that all human beings are important
> and
> > deserves help and not the opposite.
> >
> > Alex wrote:
> > "because you are not considering the many faces he has
> > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. "
> >
> > M. Sufilight says:
> > Perhaps not. How many do you - actually - know of?
> >
> > Alex wrote:
> > "I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a decade, his
> > every post leaves a bad aftertaste."
> >
> > M. Sufilight says:
> > Do you have some examples on this "bad aftertaste"?
> >
> > I suggest: Let us not as theosophists Demonize anyone.
> >
> > - - -
> > Yet, I will agree, that this place is not - that - attractive to what we
> > call thin-skinned Seekers after Truth.
> >
> > So - I have just created a Theos-Talk-Heart (
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart ) forum. And you are
> > welcome to invite all the members you claim, have been turned away.
> > I will moderate it, seeking more Heart. No Chuck personalities and
> similar
> > "villains" will be allowed. - Allright?
> > :-)
> > Let us all do an effort.
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: alex
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:37 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge
> > of theosophy."
> >
> > Morten, I do not find those views to be irrelevant for Theos-talk, I
> > just think that this case is something different.
> >
> > It's one thing to try and help ignorant people, have healthy debates,
> > question everything we read, hear and believe in etc., but it's quite
> > another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish and
> > misleading vibes with full knowledge.
> >
> > So I'm not sure what good help is possible, in my view what you call
> > compassion and theosophical could just be a form of foolishness and
> > selfishness because you are not considering the many faces he has
> > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here.
> > I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a decade, his
> > every post leaves a bad aftertaste.
> >
> > It's like one of us joining Demonosophy World to preach and
> > popularise the knowledge of Theosophy. Weird.
> >
> > Alex the Heretic
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Morten
> > Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Alex
> > >
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > >
> > > I find your intentions to be good, but not quite compassionate.
> > > And the view you are offering are not really quite theosophical
> > teaching.
> > >
> > > Try the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members at
> > Theos-talk into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various degree's.
> > >
> > > Blavatsky said:
> > > "He who objects to having his views controverted and criticized
> > must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given good proofs
> > of our impartiality. We published articles and letters criticizing
> > not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views, but
> > discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal honour
> > and reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not simple
> > doubts, but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were cast
> > into our teeth and our private character was torn to shreds (Vide "A
> > Glance at Theosophy from the Outside", Lucifer for October, 1888).
> > And if the editor will never shrink from what she considers her duty
> > to her readers, and that she is prepared to throw every possible
> > light upon mooted questions in order that truth should shine bright
> > and hideous lies and superstitions be shown under their true colours -
> > why should our contributors prove themselves so thin-skinned?"
> > > ( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer Magazine
> > 1888)
> > >
> > > So I will have to disagree a bit with your ideas. I would rather
> > recommend, that the members at this place learn to control their
> > emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life. Everything
> > is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not that).
> > > I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what H. P.
> > Blavatsky did and said.
> > > If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above views irrelevant to use at
> > Theos-talk I would like to know why.
> > > Do you have any ideas?
> > > May I ask:If you only help your friends and only talk to your
> > friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alex
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> > knowledge of theosophy."
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi
> > stories.
> > >
> > > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I confronted
> > him.
> > > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry
> > about
> > > me, things don't really bother me anymore.
> > > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the
> > center
> > > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we
> > live
> > > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about me
> > and
> > > those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I
> > can
> > > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read only
> > from
> > > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie
> > to
> > > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person
> > run
> > > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring
> > > Theosophist?
> > >
> > > I will show you a recent example of what goes on:
> > > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
> > >
> > > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether
> > they're
> > > aware of it or not.
> > > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
> > > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led &
> > leads
> > > many other lost souls to their damnation."
> > >
> > > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a
> > > distracting cancer from the body.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Alex
> > > >
> > > > I am not the moderator on this list.
> > > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you
> > not
> > > agree on that Chuck?
> > > >
> > > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's e-
> > > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can -
> > not -
> > > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let
> > me
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow
> > > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck writes
> > in
> > > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
> > > >
> > > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I
> > > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-)
> > > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below.
> > > >
> > > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour
> > > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do you
> > not
> > > agree?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
> > > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
> > > >
> > > > - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > > 1.
> > > > THE REMEDY
> > > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror
> > > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
> > > >
> > > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and
> > said:
> > > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop
> > their
> > > evil work?'
> > > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the criminals,'
> > > said Nasrudin.
> > > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
> > > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla
> > > reminded him
> > > >
> > > > - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > > 2.
> > > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
> > > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did
> > not
> > > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local
> > wise
> > > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random assumptions
> > > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran
> > to
> > > the wise man 5 house.
> > > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
> > > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
> > > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he
> > > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-
> > pointed
> > > the magistrate in the next town.'
> > > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to
> > the
> > > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at
> > him:
> > > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
> > > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk
> > to
> > > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
> > > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best
> > > authority that you are my donkey.'
> > > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit
> > such a
> > > thing!'
> > > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like
> > he
> > > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather
> > than
> > > that of a donkey.'
> > > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one
> > is
> > > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as
> > and
> > > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to
> > > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the
> > people
> > > who are able to receive it:
> > > >
> > > > - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: alex
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> > > knowledge of theosophy."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this funny for everyone here?
> > > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and
> > even
> > > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I don't
> > > know
> > > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your
> > > messages
> > > > from my inbox.
> > > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around
> > > that
> > > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the
> > > whole
> > > > group and leave.
> > > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we
> > > need
> > > > to see this nonsense anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things
> > > around,
> > > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the
> > > path
> > > > of sorcery and black magic?
> > > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples
> > > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and
> > > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas!
> > > > What do you think? :)
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those
> > > obsolete
> > > > ideas of
> > > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on finding
> > > what
> > > > really is
> > > > > going on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight
> > > Time,
> > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called
> > moral
> > > code
> > > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity,
> > > etc.,
> > > > we
> > > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
> > > > > _http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._
> > > > > (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm)
> > > > >
> > > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute this "theosophy"?
> > > And
> > > > if
> > > > > so, what are these teachings?
> > > > >
> > > > > And where do we find these teachings?
> > > > >
> > > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn
> > we
> > > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
> > > > >
> > > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials of
> > the
> > > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
> > > > >
> > > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical
> > > organization
> > > > > or association.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
> > > > >
> > > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
> > > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
> > > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is
> > absolutely
> > > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
> > > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct inferences
> > > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by
> > > modern
> > > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a synonym
> > of
> > > > > truth....
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
> > > > >
> > > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
> > > > >
> > > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and
> > where
> > > can
> > > > we
> > > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P.
> > > Blavatsky?
> > > > >
> > > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie
> > Besant's "Man,
> > > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant
> > > Investigation"W
> > > > >
> > > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth
> > > Claire
> > > > > Prophet?
> > > > >
> > > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what
> > > exactly do
> > > > > we popularise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
> > > > >
> > > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation
> > that
> > > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn as
> > > > > animals?
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
> > > > >
> > > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting the
> > > > > DOCTRINE?
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine"
> > is?
> > > > >
> > > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is
> > all
> > > > about,
> > > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover
> > > what
> > > > the
> > > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
> > > > >
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/)
> > > > >
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