Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00302)

If we were Edwardians we would all be like the folks who worshipped Annie  
and the Bishop!
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 10/13/2008 6:13:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
One saving grace is that we are not Edwardians - we would have all been  
getting around in frilly knickers

Cass

----- Original Message  ----
From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " <_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ 
(mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Monday, 13 October, 2008 2:41:10 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: "...we  have to preach and popularise a 
knowledge of theos...

The truth can  never go to far. We are not victorians any more.

Get rid of those silly  ideals. Deal with reality.

Chuck the Heretic

In a message dated  10/12/2008 9:19:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
global-theosophy@ stofanet.  dk writes:

Dear Alex

I am not the moderator on this  list.
But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you not  agree on 
that Chuck?

Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a  number of Chuck's e-mails are in 
fact quite theosophical in content. If  you can - not - find any of his 
e-mails to be theosophical in content,  please let me know.

The fact that is that you tell me and others, that  you grow impatient, 
because you completely disagree with all Chuck writes  in his e-mails - and 
you 
therefore need to delete them.

I will tell  you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I thought to be - 
no good,  I would problably be very busy. :-) Therefore try to read the story 
THE  REMEDY in the below. 

May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about  his behaviour instead. That 
is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do  you not agree?

Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider....  Her
I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.

- - -  - - - -

1.
THE REMEDY
Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of  the great conqueror Tamerlane, 
and was one of his advisers.

One  day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and said:
'Nasrudin,  the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop their evil  
work?'
'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the criminals,'  said 
Nasrudin.
'You mean the slanderers?'
'And their accomplices -  those who listen to them,' the Mulla reminded him

- - - - - -  -

2.
WHOM TO BELIEVE
Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for  knowledge, but did not seem to 
know what knowledge was. As a result he  asked a local wise man the stupidest 
questions, always based upon random  assumptions
One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran  to the wise 
man 5 house.
'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
'My  donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
The wise man was quite fed up with  the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he said, 'the 
donkey has run off, turned into a man  and been ap-pointed the magistrate in 
the 
next town.'
Thanking the wise  man for his information, the Mulla trudged to the court. 
There sat the  magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at him:
'Come home at once, you  foolish animal!'
The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you  talk to me like 
that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
'I'm the  well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best authority that 
you  are my donkey.'
'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit  such a thing!'
Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you  like he said, 'I 
prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than  that of a donkey.'
Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired  when one is ready for 
it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as  and when they want it. 
The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to impart  knowledge in the right 
way, 
at the right time, to the people who are able  to receive it:

- - - - - - -

M. Sufilight
(Who saw HPB  materialise in front of him year 2008.)

----- Original Message -----  
From: alex 
To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008  2:28 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a  knowledge of 
theosophy."

Is this funny for everyone here? 
I'm  not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and even 
allows you  to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I don't know 
about others but  I'm starting to get tired of deleting your messages 
from my inbox.
This  crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around that 
spoils  things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the whole 
group and  leave. 
The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we need  
to see this nonsense anymore.

Chuck, why don't you try to be like  Milarepa and turn things around, 
become the first Enlightened man in  modern times to abandon the path 
of sorcery and black magic? 
Think  about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples 
participation  and get all our votes if you choose to run and 
promulgate the DOCTRINE of  the Buddhas! 
What do you think? :)

Alex

--- In _theos-talk@  yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos---- In _theos-talk@  y
Drpsionic@..  , Dr
>
> Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of  those obsolete 
ideas of 
> purity, self-denial, charity, etc and  concentrate on finding what 
really is 
> going on.
> 
>  Chuck the heretic
> 
> 
> In a message dated 10/11/2008  4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> danielhcaldwell@ daniel
>  
> 
> 
> 
> "For our doctrines to practically react on  the so called moral code
> or the ideas of truthfulness, purity,  self-denial, charity, etc., 
we
> have to preach and popularise a  knowledge of theosophy."
> 
> Quoted from a letter from the  Chohan
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> 
> So exactly what do  we preach and popularise?
> 
> Are there certain teachings that  constitute this "theosophy"? And 
if
> so, what are these  teachings?
> 
> And where do we find these teachings?
>  
> And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn  we
> can "preach and popularise" them?
> 
> And who is "we"?  The leaders of the TS? Elected officials of the
> TS? Any member of the  TS?
> 
> And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical  organization
> or association.
> 
> Can non-members preach  and popularise this theosophy?
> 
> And in this same letter, the  Chohan tells us:
> 
> ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- 
>  The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
> supported  by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
> ultimately  triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is absolutely
> necessary to  inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
> unimpeachable facts for  those who know, with direct inferences
> deducted from and corroborated  by the evidence furnished by modern
> exact science.... Theos-sophia,  Divine Wisdom...is a synonym of
> truth....
> ------------ ----  ---- ---- ---- 
> 
> This is quite a CLAIM.
> 
> "The  doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
> 
> So what  is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and where can 
we
> find  an exposition of this teaching?
> 
> Is it to be found in THE  SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P. Blavatsky?
> 
> Or can it be found  in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie Besant's "Man,
> Whence, How, and  Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant Investigation" 
> 
> Or in a book  by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth Claire
> Prophet?
>  
> If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what exactly  do
> we popularise?
> 
> Is reincarnation part of this  DOCTRINE?
> 
> What if I start popularising the teaching of  reincarnation that
> includes the provision that humans can sometimes be  reborn as
> animals?
> 
> Am I faithfully transmitting the  DOCTRINE?
> 
> And who is to say that I am faithfully or not  transmitting the
> DOCTRINE?
> 
> In other words, who is to  say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine" is?
> 
> The objects of the TS  doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is all 
about,
> so where and how  does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover what 
the
> DOCTRINE is  that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
> 
>  Daniel
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