Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00252)

Hi Pedro,

I presume that you are replying to my message. 

I can agree that Elvira Carbonell's letter had some influence on the 
nomination and election process. But in analyzing "Election Campaign 
Letters" Govert and I agreed that it didn't represent the violation 
of TS Rules and Regulations. 

In my view any such letter (also in the case it would really 
represent the violation of TS Rules and Regulations) can not be a 
justified reason for further violation of TS Rules and Regulations 
but for the constitutional intervention of the Election and the 
Executive Committee. 

Further on, I presume that there was and still is present exchange of 
countless unrevealed e-mails between high TS officials on 
international and sections levels what gives an impression that 
within the Theosophical Society there is present well established 
parallel information and decision making system shared by two 
opposing fractions. 

The composition of the Executive Committee reveals that it is 
prevalently composed out of members of the administration. With its 
after elections statement the Executive Committee revealed, in my 
opinion, the role which transcends that designed by the TS Rules and 
Regulations. Please, read my comments of the Election process and 
John Algeo's and Joy Mills' letters to the Executive Committee.

You have perfect right to think that my claims that the General 
Council and the Executive Committee are not performing their 
constitutional role are an insult and that my claims that the 
President letter represented the violation of the TS Rules and 
Regulations and that it gave way to further violations of the by-laws 
as baseless and unjust but, please, try to understand that I am 
trying to analyze the situation with some objective measures and that 
I am discovering that we can not reconcile current situation within 
the Society with the spirit of its Constitution and its first object 
of Brotherhood. I don't think that my views are absolutely 
unconditioned or the only possible one; on the contrary, I would be 
very happy to see as many as possible impersonal and un-biased 
analysies.

Best regards,
Anton



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pedro Oliveira" <prmoliveira@...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> wrote:
> 
> > Let's be honest. Let' see the facts. 
> 
> 
> According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a fact is a "thing
> certainly known to have occurred or be true, datum of experience."
> 
> 
> > It is a fact that actual President was the first one who violated 
the 
> > TS Rules and Regulations in the past election process. 
> 
> 
> If you look at your own website 
> (http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm) under 
the
> heading "Election Campaign Letters", you will see that the first
> letter which was sent out to General Council members was Elvira
> Carbonell's letter of 19 December 2007. In her letter she says, 
among
> other things:
> 
> "Since there has been uncertainty about the state of our President's
> health and our Vice-President's willingness and ability to accept
> nominations for the upcoming Presidential election, several of us at
> Adyar feel the need to write to members of the General Council to
> share the following information.
> 
> We have learned that our Vice-President has been asked if he will
> accept nominations, and have confirmation from him that although he 
is
> not eager to run for President, he will do what seems to be in the
> best interest of the Society when the time comes, and he will accept
> nominations..."
> 
> This letter was sent by Carbonell by email while the International
> Secretary sent out the nomination papers to GC members by ordinary 
air
> mail correspondence on 18 December 2007. This means that when the
> majority of GC members, who were not at Adyar at that time, received
> their official nomination papers from the Secretary they had already
> received Carbonell's letter.
> 
> Her letter is a concrete, irrefutable evidence that John Algeo was 
in
> contact with some key Adyar workers who were evidently helping him
> with his campaign even BEFORE the actual elections took place.
> 
> Neither the President nor a number of GC members who were at Adyar
> received a copy of Carbonell's letter. Please note that Carbonell 
did
> not act alone and that other workers at Adyar were also writing
> letters to GC members, as the expression "several of us at Adyar" in
> Carbonell's letter indicates. 
> 
> Therefore, John Algeo, the Vice-President of the TS, without the
> knowledge of the President, who had nominated him three times for 
that
> position, and liaising with some workers at Adyar, agreed to accept
> nominations for the position of President BEFORE the majority of GC
> members had even received their nomination papers. As a result of 
this
> concerted plan of action, which used aspects of the President's 
health
> as a form of political manipulation, John Algeo was clearly placed 
in
> an advantageous position in the nomination process which included
> General Council members in many countries.
> 
> 
> It is a fact 
> > that the Executive Committee isn't composed and doesn't act 
according 
> > to the TS Rules and Regulations as a body of the General Council 
but 
> > as an extended arm of the President and her administration. It is 
a 
> > fact that the President and the Executive Committee completely 
ignore 
> > complaints of some members of the General Council. 
> 
> 
> According to the Rules of the Theosophical Society, the Executive
> Committee is appointed annually by the General Council as per the 
Rule
> below:
> 
> 14. Appointment of Executive Committee  
> 
> (a) The General Council shall at each Annual Meeting appoint an
> Executive Committee for the ensuing year or until its next Annual
> Meeting, of not less than seven and not more than ten members, of 
whom
> at least six shall be members of the General Council. The President,
> the Vice-President, the Treasurer, and the Secretary shall be
> ex-officio members. Vacancies caused by death or resignation or
> otherwise may be filled by co-option. 
> 
> So when you say that the EC is "an extended arm of the President" 
you
> are insulting the authority of the General Council of the 
Theosophical
> Society for the composition of the EC is derived from an appointment
> by the GC. 
> 
> 
> > On the other hand is a fact that in past elections general 
violation 
> > of the TS Rules and Regulations and an unethical behavior 
followed 
> > the action of the President.
> 
> Anyone who reads Elvira Carbonell's letter of 19 December 2007 and
> understands its context will be able to see that your above 
accusation
> against the President of the Theosophical Society, which you have
> repeated several times, is baseless, unwarranted and unjust.
> 
> 
> Pedro
>