Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00152)

Thanks.

Once on the net, there are always ways around any printing restrictions,
only if one knows how to get around! All it needs is little creativity. So
if someone wants to keep someting not to be printed at all, the way to do it
is not put it on the net.

Also when something is on the net, or anywhere else, people are going to
quote it and discuss it. You cannot prevent it. That is how the media
reports on various news items.

mkr

PS:  When I want to share anything with my friends, all I do is very simple.
Just email them or just post them here and tell them they can find it here.
For those having difficulty in navigation, I point to Anton's website and it
is that simple.
Also on public issues such as changing the rules or disenfranchising, they
need to be done in the open since they affect all the members and hence
nothing should be done in secret. Sunshine should shine and survive in it.
Also in all the discussions, no one has given any reason why compared to the
problem with membership and membership retention and chartering new lodges,
why it is so critical to mess with the rules.



On 10/6/08, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Dear friends,
>
> I would like to futher elucidate a little the situation with
> the "Theosophy Forward" blog from my perspective.
>
> In first days of July it came to my notice (on theos_trans group
> which is dedicated to the translation of theosophical texts in Non-
> English languages) that John Algeo is sharing his views in regard to
> past Elections with some of his friends. As I was interested to
> publish these letters I contacted John and ask him for the permission
> to publish them on my site. He said that he would agree under two
> conditions: that letters would be available only to TS members and
> that they can not be copied. As these conditions were reasonable to
> me and as I hoped that in that way some basic communication between
> leaders and members can be established, I created restricted TS
> Members Area, encrypted the files and publish them.
>
> Only few days ago, on October 2, I realized that there was
> created "Theosophy Forward" blog where these letters were now freely
> available to the public. I contacted John and proposed that I remove
> the restriction to the TS Members Area and make links to the relative
> letters present on the blog. He replied that he wasn't sure that blog
> is already online, but agreed with my proposal.
>
> Yesterday, on October 5, I received John's message that blog was
> taken offline because of some problems and that I can republish the
> documents as I find suitable.
>
> My explanation of the situation is that after the publication of
> these letters on my site the idea to create a blog dedicated to the
> presentation of their views was born in John's informal circle and
> that steps were made to create it. I assume that the administrator
> put the blog online (probably he couldn't do otherwise as when a blog
> is created it is automatically online if some hosted service is used)
> and inserted mentioned letters using the dates when they were
> actually created. I assume further that all the conditions (probably
> similar as in the case of my web site) under which the documents will
> be presented on the blog were not determined yet and that therefore
> there was some frustration present with the fact that blog is already
> online. I think that these misunderstandings unfortunately lead to
> the decision to remove the blog from the net.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I learnt from reliable source that the site is closed down now, and
> won't be
> > reopened.
> > mkr
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Katinka Hesselink <mail@...
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Hans Kind is the brother of Jan Kind. The latter is a theosophist,
> > > married to Terezinha Kind who is prominent in the TS in Latin
> America.
> > > They met at Adyar. I know Jan. I don't know Hans. They are both
> Dutch.
> > > Hans set the whole thing up. Jan Kind was acting as webmaster,
> from
> > > what I could tell (managing the content - the technical process of
> > > setting it up was apparently done by Hans). Hans and Jan are as
> > > classicly dutch names as you can have.
> > >
> > > I have nothing to do with this blog, nor would I have abruptly
> taken
> > > it offline like this. I would have made it look better, keep
> comments
> > > open from the start (disruptive comments can always be deleted
> later)
> > > and told you all about it way earlier.
> > > I would certainly not have pretended I only found out about it
> > > recently if that wasn't the case. My asking John Algeo about it
> was
> > > the direct cause of it going offline, I'm afraid. He had been
> working
> > > on it but wasn't aware that it was publicly accessible already.
> > >
> > > Further points: I would not have had it hosted in The Netherlands
> if
> > > it was meant to reach an international public. Both my websites
> are
> > > hosted in the US for that reason (not that I'm all that happy
> with the
> > > host of my blog, but that's another story).
> > >
> > > However, it is clearly no coincidence that the contributors so far
> > > have included several Dutch people: Jan Kind, Ali Ritsema (former
> > > Dutch general secretary, now living in Belgium with her English
> > > husband) and Wies Kuiper current Dutch general secretary. John
> Algeo
> > > is also involved, as is Betty Bland. There was at least one other
> > > contributor, but I forget her name (the contribution was
> interesting,
> > > but I hadn't heard of her before and I'm terrible with names).
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to not have made a backup of that site when I had the
> > > chance. I wonder when (and if) it will go online again.
> > >
> > > The online projects I'm personally responsible for are:
> > > http://www.allconsidering.com/
> > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/
> > > http://www.squidoo.com/katinkahesselink/
> > >
> > > I'm a contributor to two other theosophical blogs (started by
> Chris
> > > Richardson USA):
> > > http://theosophicalsociety.wordpress.com/
> > > http://theosophist.wordpress.com/
> > >
> > > Katinka Hesselink
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> MKR
> > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Couple of days ago I noticed that the domain was from NL and
> thought
> > > Katinka
> > > > was the owner. Later only I found that perhaps someone else in
> NL.
> > > Wonder
> > > > who is the real owner?
> > > >
> > > > mkr
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/5/08, Pedro Oliveira <prmoliveira@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have noticed yesterday (it is already Monday morning in
> > > Sydney) that
> > > > > the blog "theosophyforward", containing views of some General
> Council
> > > > > members on TS matters after the Presidential election, was
> suddenly
> > > > > taken offline. As a matter of fact, this seems to have
> happened soon
> > > > > after Katinka Hesselink "announced" it!
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody know why this has happened? I also noticed that
> Anton
> > > > > mentions it in his website as offline. Does anyone know who
> its
> > > > > webmaster is? While the blog was online I saw the name "Jan"
> on top of
> > > > > the homepage. That seems to be a Dutch name. I wonder if it
> was
> > > > > someone living in The Netherlands or a Dutch person living in
> the US,
> > > > > or visiting the US.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pedro
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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