Theos-Talk Archives (September 2008 Message tt00171)

Who authored these changes and regulations?  And why should they be set in concrete?
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From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 11:16:54 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: POLITICS STILL AFOOT IN THE T.S.


Dear friends,

Here is the proceeding in the TS Rules and Regulations regarding 
their changes:

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49. Changes in Rules and Regulations

The General Council, of their own motion or on the motion of the 
Executive Committee and after at least three months' notice has been 
given to each member of said Council, may, by a three-fourths vote of 
those members who vote in person, in writing, or by proxy, make, 
alter or repeal the Rules and Regulations of the Society, in such 
manner as it may deem expedient.

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So, according to TS Rules and Regulations members are excluded from 
the discussion in regard to the Rules and Regulations changes. Maybe 
this Rule should be changed too.

I will upload the proposed Rules and Regulations changes on Theosophy 
in Slovenia web site, TS Members Area - 
http://www.teozofij a.info/tsmembers /tsindex. htm - 
in next days. 

TS members can get the user name and password contacting me 
privatelly.

Best regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@ ...> 
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> I just  hope the general secretaries, will consult the T.S. members 
of their respective countries, before voting for it.
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> --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@ ...> wrote:
> From: Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@ ...>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: POLITICS STILL AFOOT IN THE T.S.
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:00 AM
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formal proposition already requested to be included in the agenda of 
the next meeting of the international council. 
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> From: Katinka Hesselink <mail@katinkahessel i nk.net>
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> Subject: Theos-World Re: POLITICS STILL AFOOT IN THE T.S.
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:26 AM
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> My opinion is: I agree that the president should be voted for
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> the TS should be organized. Only when it's a serious proposal in the
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> that though, please involve me in spreading the news and signing the
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> http://www.katinkah esselink. net/
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "t_s_theosophist" 
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> > Dear Fellow Theosophists; 
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> Pedro Oliveria, and Aryel Sanat, that attempts are currently being
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> > The attached proposal has come to my notice. One of its proposed
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> amendments (to Rule 10 of the Rules of the TS), if approved, will
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> > As a concerned member I would like to suggest that a letter be
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> > With warm and fraternal regards to all,
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