Theos-Talk Archives (September 2008 Message tt00144)

If it were only that simple. 

Truth doesn't come in neat packages = where one teacher is always
right and the other, since he was wrong some of the time (or even
often) is therefor wrong ALL of the time. 

Leadbeater was clearly teaching stuff that was at the very least
trivial and at worst untrue when talking about the clothes the
Mahatmas wore and where they lived, occult chemistry etc. 

However, that does not invalidate those teachings of his that turned
out to be highly useful. Again - the chakras come to mind. 

Katinka 
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Raquel Rodríguez <raquel_rpj@...>
wrote:
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> Thank you Murthy 
> for the highly interesting link of E.L. Gardner. I can finally have
a clear idea of all the confusion brought to the TS, also I can
understand know why Krishnamurty rejected the Theosophical Society.
Such an accident on it´s early years, must have been a hard one to
overcome for the ones that remained.
> Truth have its own way and can survive any devastating distortion of
the mind.
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> Best Regards
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> Raquel
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> --- El mar, 23/9/08, A M <anandaam@...> escribió:
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> De: A M anandaam@...
> Asunto: Re: Theos-World theosophy as A Philosophy
> Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Fecha: martes, 23 septiembre, 2008 7:09
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> We need to distinguish between a) the different expressions of
> theosophical teachings and b) distortions of theosophical teachings.
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> For example when the Mahatma KH states that the life wave on Mars is
> in Pralaya and Leadbeater claims to have visited Mars and seen the
> martians in their physcical bodies living in garden towns near the
> equator where there are plenty of flowers and water etc - is this just
> a different expression of theosophical teaching or a distortion?
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> When Leadbeater claims he has visited on the astral plane the Lord
> Maitreya and has his blessing along with instructions from the Master
> KH as to the basis and rituals of the setting up a Liberal Catholic
> church, yet we find the Master KH's views in the Mahatma Letters on
> God and clergy completely contradicting Leadbeaters views - is this
> just a different expression of theosophical teaching or a distortion
> of theosophical teaching? (see
> http://www.theosoph ical.ca/NoReligi on.htm )
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> Many of Leadbeater's teaching on theosophy come from his astral visits
> to Masters Ashrams, can we really give any credibility to teachings
> received in this way from some who believes he visited Mars and spoke
> to the martions as in the above. All the stuff on auras and chakras,
> astral bodies etc, the psychism and grandiose messages from Masters,
> Maitreyas and Solar Lords obscured for a long time the original
> teachings of theosophy as given out by HPB and the Masters.
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> Remember Master KH writes that the Secret Doctrine was a triple
> production of Himself, Master M and HPB. When Leadbeater wrties
> something in direct opposition to what is stated by them in the Secret
> Doctrine - is that just a variation on the teaching or a distortion of
> the teaching?
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> When the Masters write that Maitreya, the 5th Buddha, will not come
> until the end of the great cycle (some millions of years in the
> future) yet Leadbeater claims to be receiving personal instruction
> (through his astral visits & so on) from the Lord Maitreya and that
> Maitreya is preparing to come as the World Teacher in the early 1900s
> - is this a variation or different expression of the teachings of
> Theosophy or a distortion?
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> If Leadbeater was wrong and deluded about his converstations with Lord
> Maitreya, can we have trust in any of the Theosophical teachings he
> passed on from the Masters recived via astral travels or clairvoyant
> communication as he claimed in all the above? Or should we just
> rationalise his delusions and say Leadbeater just had a different way
> of expression the truth, and no need to worry because the truth isn't
> something that can be pinned down anyway?
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