Re: Introduction & The Voice of the Silence
Aug 31, 2008 01:53 AM
by Katinka Hesselink
Lovely. Your post is great, and it shows precisely that this forum IS
(or can be) a great place to go deeply into things.
What I meant was that sometimes the real meaning of things lies on the
surface, though your post shows that perhaps in this case I was wrong :)
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "robert_b_macd"
> Hi Brian,
> I think Katinka is right in the sense that this forum is not the best
> for going too deeply into matters. My experience with Study Groups is
> that you have to have the right mix of people and they all have to be
> focused on the goal of creating, in a sense, one group mind. The
> Study Group is a tool that incorporates people of various experience,
> some with deeper insight and others less so, to practically
> demonstrate the process of building the antahkarana between the lower
> and higher minds. As the group mulls over a particular passage,
> usually those with less experience will start the journey off as that
> is the stage of the journey they are at, the beginning. Others will
> pick up on what they say rephrasing it so that the matter can
> successfully be taken to deeper levels. There is a beauty and harmony
> to this process when done correctly as the group works to go ever more
> deeply into the passage. Often where you end up is quite surprising
> given the more literal interpretation of a particular passage. This
> process allows everyone in the group to practically experience the
> journey of the Spiritually Seeking Mind as it strives to make the
> Lower Mind more like the Higher Mind -- to build the antahkarana.
> When we look at The Voice of the Silence, this is also what we are
> striving for, but the stakes have been raised. We are being warned
> right off the bat about the lower siddhi. The mind is what it thinks
> about. If your goal is to reach the voice of the silence, then you
> had better be ready to maintain your focus. Peering into the Astral,
> astral traveling and the like are all addictive paths to destruction.
> How can they be otherwise? Your focus is to make the Lower one with
> the Higher and you do this by always taking the next step along the
> Path. The Paramitas are the keys to taking you safely along the path,
> for once you have mastered these, you have mastered Self and made it
> one with SELF. The higher siddhi are then at your disposal to help
> you work on behalf of Nature.
> A good analogy might be that the lower siddhi are like the
> distractions in a nightclub. A bomb disposal expert working in such
> an environment has to remain entirely focused on disarming the bomb.
> If he is distracted by what is going on around him, if he is having
> the occasional drink as he works, etc. he is going to make a mistake
> that will blow up himself and the nightclub.
> Knowing how to exercise the powers of Nature takes a morally
> incorruptible person, if you are still dealing with the lower siddhi,
> you are far from incorruptible.
> These are some thoughts I might consider when looking at that passage.
> --- In email@example.com, "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@> wrote:
> > I think you are looking too deeply here. She's just saying: be aware
> > of the dangers of the lower siddhi (why she uses pali here I can't
> > fathom) & read the rest of this booklet.
> > Katinka Hesselink
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "butchie122" <brianparry@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings, I am a new member of the group who became interested in
> > > the site following the recent international election postings -
> > > of which I thought were hilarious. I am a long time TS member
> > > Australian Section & the Melbourne Lodge. With a wide range of
> > > interest in most matters theosophical I have a particular
> > > the first two of the Stanzas of Dzyan, advaita vedanta & the
> > > the Silence.
> > >
> > > I would be interested to see a discussion from anyone who actually
> > > does what HPB said we should do with The Voice of The
> > > it daily. By way of starting such a discussion we could focus
> > > first verse; 'these instructions are for those ignorant of the
> > > of the lower iddhi'.
> > >
> > > Most commentators, John Allego being the latest, are careful to
> > > explain these iddhis & the dangers, but if that is all there is
> > > then the rest of the book can be ignored. The focus in the first
> > > verse is on our ignorance. We can know ABOUT the danger by
> > > but knowing the dangers is quite a different matter. Our daily
> > > the book begins with our awareness of our ignorance. In this
> > > awareness of ignorance is a positive quality. Any comments will be
> > > welcome
> > >
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