Theos-Talk Archives (August 2008 Message tt00041)

Only thing most people think that their god within makes him higher 
or better than other people for he uses that way in his lower mind.
While he uses in higher mind, he will connect all gods within and 
don't see or feel himself better, but all are one.
That will be the end of war and brings peace in All.
Christina






--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Yes. Thanks Daniel.
> Very good.
> 
> Especially this:
> "Therefore, he would do better far to
> remember that every man has a god within, a direct ray from the
> Absolute, the celestial ray from the One; that he has his " god "
> within, not outside of, himself." (Collected Writings volume 10, 
page
> 345)
> 
> But we aught also to remember, that H. P. Blavatsky several times 
referred 
> to that the western religion Christianity was not on the same level 
as for 
> instance - exoteric - Buddhism. Try The Key to Theosophy and other 
places. 
> So H. P. Blavatsky did not equate the various major religions. But 
she 
> respected that their original essence contained the visdom-religion 
before 
> they were molested into rest of reason, emotional rituals and other 
> non-theosophical activities.
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Augoeides-222@...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Anand, the Blavatsky Quote from Volume 10, 
and 
> "God", etc.
> 
> 
> Daniel,
>    Great!! Lol! You raise some very good queries. I enjoyed reading 
this. I 
> won't start even! But How everyone manages to ignore that "Eden" 
was in 
> "Paradise" has always mystified me as thats where those 72 Virgins 
are!!! He 
> he! Samuel Fales Dunlap wrote some good works the elaborately 
analyzed the 
> permutative history of religious Deity names, his "Sod", and 
"Vestiges of 
> the Spirit History of Man" (1858) are revealing and he was very 
deep into 
> the epistemology and roots of names and origins.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@...>
> Thanks anandaam_11 for giving the quote by Blavatsky
> from Volume 10.
> 
> I give the same quote again and ask Anand (not to be confused
> with anandaam_11) to carefully
> re-read this quote. There is a great deal of meaning
> in this extract. Blavatsky is referring to several
> concepts and ideas that are not necessarily identical
> but certainly related.
> 
> I give the quote again and then following the quote I add a few
> comments and questions:
> 
> "Eastern philosophy rejects the idea of a personal and extra-cosmic
> deity. And to those who call this atheism, I would say the 
following.
> It is illogical to worship one such god, for, as said in the
> Bible, "There be Lords many and Gods many." Therefore, if worship is
> desirable, we have to choose either the worship of many gods, each
> being no better or less limited than the other, viz., polytheism and
> idolatry, or choose, as the Israelites have done, one tribal or
> racial god from among them, and while believing in the existence of
> many gods, ignore and show contempt for the others, regarding our 
own
> as the highest and the "God of Gods." But this is logically
> unwarrantable, for such a god can be neither infinite nor absolute,
> but must be finite, that is to say, limited and conditioned by space
> and time. With the Pralaya the tribal god disappears, and Brahmâ and
> all the other Devas, and the gods are merged into the Absolute.
> Therefore, occultists do not worship or offer prayers to them,
> because if we did, we should have either to worship many gods, or
> pray to the Absolute, which, having no attributes, can have no ears
> to hear us. The worshipper even of many gods must of necessity be
> unjust to all the other gods; however far he extends his worship it
> is simply impossible for him to worship each severally; and in his
> ignorance, if he choose out any one in particular, he may by no 
means
> select the most perfect. Therefore, he would do better far to
> remember that every man has a god within, a direct ray from the
> Absolute, the celestial ray from the One; that he has his " god "
> within, not outside of, himself." (Collected Writings volume 10, 
page
> 345)
> 
> Notice some of the subjects or ideas Blavatsky deals with:
> 
> "a personal and extra-cosmic deity."
> 
> What is an EXTRA-cosmic deity? And could there be an INTRA-cosmic
> deity?
> 
> "the tribal god"
> 
> for example, the Hebrew god Yahweh ??? or the god of a local Indian
> group here in Arizona? or the god of some other nation, religion or
> tribe?
> 
> "the gods are merged into the Absolute."
> 
> Here Blavatsky writes of "the gods" and also "the Absolute"
> 
> "every man has a god within, a direct ray from the
> Absolute, the celestial ray from the One; that he has his " god "
> within, not outside of, himself."
> 
> "a god within"??
> 
> Notice the number of ideas H.P.B. is writing about. How are these
> ideas related to each other? etc. etc.
> 
> Now to some questions and comments.
> 
> Anand, what "God" do you beleive in?
> 
> I have no idea at this juncture what God you actually believe in.
> 
> From time to time over the years people will ask me:
> 
> Do you believe in God?
> 
> And ever since I was in college many years ago I always ask in turn:
> 
> Please tell me what you mean by "God"?
> 
> And my question is sincere. I ask them to describe what God they are
> meaning?
> 
> Do they mean the Hebrew God Yahweh? Or Allah of the Koran? Or
> Shiva? Or some Chinese deity? Or Mithras?
> 
> Anand, do all Hindu believe in the same God or Gods? Do all Hindu
> believe that there is one God who is supreme among all the Hindu 
gods?
> 
> Most Christians I know and have talked to believe only in Yahweh, 
the
> Hebrew god of the Old Testament. But they do NOT believe in Allah or
> any of the Hindu gods which they believe are false gods; or simply
> counterfeits created by Satan to deceive Christians, etc.
> 
> About 45 miles from where I live in Arizona (USA) is Baboquivari
> Peak, which is the mountain home of I'itoi, the creator god of both
> the Tohono O'odham and the Pima Indians.
> 
> Anand, do you believe in I'itoi?
> 
> I've never asked my Christian friends about I'itoi. But based on
> many of their previous comments, I would suspect that they would
> consider him a pagan, false probably imaginary god.
> 
> And many Christians believe Jesus Christ is God incarnate. And many
> Hindu apparently believe Krishna is God incarnate. But I know of
> none of my Christian friends who believe in Krishna in such terms.
> He is a false god to them.
> 
> The fact is that there are literally scores of religions --- 
ancient,
> modern, from east and west and north and south --- which believe or
> did believe in literally hundreds of gods.
> 
> So when you talk about God, what are you referring to? Which God of
> what religion?
> 
> And what is totally unclear to me is your position concerning
> religions in general.
> 
> Do you believe all religions are equally true? Or are some religions
> superior to others. In previous posts you have made certain comments
> about Buddhism or Jainism which make me wonder how you really view
> different religions and if you believe as some Theosophists do that
> all religions are equal and all are legitimate paths.
> 
> And do you believe each religion has an exoteric and also an 
esoteric
> side?
> 
> Or when a certain religion or holy book of that religion speaks of
> God in various ways, a relevant question to ask is:
> 
> Should I take the description as literally true? Or is it to be
> taken in some symbolic way or sense? Or in some more mystical or
> spiritual sense?
> 
> Do you, for example, believe there was actually a physical Garden of
> Eden somewhere in the Middle East where the "Lord God" created Adam
> and Eve?
> 
> I assure you that there are millions of Christians who accept that
> story in a literal sense. I have even asked some Christians when
> they have told me they believe in a real physical Garden of Eden,
> if I could go back in a timemachine to the Garden of Eden, could
> I have taken pictures with a camera of the 2 trees in the midst of
> the garden? Could I have taken pictures of God actually forming Adam
> and Eve out of the earth? And I have been assured by some of them
> that yes, it literally and physically happened that way and yes
> pictures could have been taken! Now of course some Christians when
> pressed about this, will say well maybe it is a figurative or
> symbolic story but when pressed they aren't sure what it really
> means....
> 
> Do some Hindu or do even you believe that Vishnu actually rests and
> slumbers on the serpent Ananta? Or is that an allegory, or simply
> a "myth" not to be taken so literally?
> 
> My point: we have to decide how we interpret (whether literally
> or symbolically or in some other way) these stories and also the
> descriptions of "God" given in the various holy books and myths of
> diverse religions of the world whether they be of the Incas, or of
> the Eskimos, of the Hindu or Christians or Mesopotamians, etc. etc.
> 
> And my second point is that when we speak of "God" we are bringing 
up
> a very very complex subject!!
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> 
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