Theos-Talk Archives (July 2008 Message tt00183)

In first place there is one fundamental question which has to be 
addressed regarding the ES. Namely, if the ES is, as often said, a 
separate organization is it acceptable that it uses TS resources for 
its functioning. The answer is, in my opinion: no - such practice is 
illegal! When the ES will really separate from the TS and fully 
establish itself as an independent organization then it shall be 
treated as any other organization as stated in the TS Declaration on 
the Freedom of the Society:

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The Theosophical Society, while cooperating with all other bodies 
whose aims and activities make such cooperation possible, is and must 
remain an organization entirely independent of them, not committed to 
any objects save its own, and intent on developing its own work on 
the broadest and most inclusive lines, so as to move towards its own 
goal as indicated in and by the pursuit of those objects and that 
Divine Wisdom which in the abstract is implicit in the title The 
Theosophical Society.
Since Universal Brotherhood and Wisdom are undefined and unlimited, 
and since there is complete freedom for each and every member of the 
Society in thought and action, the Society seeks ever to maintain its 
own distinctive and unique character by remaining free of affiliation 
or identification with any other organization.

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Best regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" 
<kay_ziatz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> 
> > When you have same head for ES and TS, there is little democracy
> > because ES members are supposed to support their ES head. This
> > election was interesting because it appears that many ES members
> > voted against their head Radha.
> 
> There's a problem with ES. ES is considered a closed order, where 
the 
> members take some vows which they don't disclose to the outer 
world. 
> Let's suppose that among them there is a vow of loyality to the 
head 
> of organization.
> If the president of TS is a ES member, the ES head can order him 
> something and the president shall act not according to the 
interests 
> of the members which democraticly elected him, but to the orders of 
> the ES head.
> This problem was "elegantly" solved in TS by combination of 
president 
> and ES head offices. It makes the president free of any outer 
control, 
> as he is a head of both organizations.
> Two other possibilities: (1) dissolve ES or (2) make provision in 
the 
> Rules that TS higher officers cannot be members of ES, are more 
hard 
> to put into practice, for (1) ES can continue to run secretly in 
spite 
> of its dissolution; and (2) the candidate can hide the fact of his 
> membership in ES, which ES won't disclose.
>