Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00788)

I agree. More transparency from the beginning would have done a lot of good.
Unless, the top to bottom  operations become more transparent -- unnecessary
secrecy that Annie Besant was warned in the 1900 letter, there will be more
discussions around the world and all the skeletons in the closet will start
coming out and cause unnecessary problems.

mkr


On 5/25/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net> wrote:
>
> I belive that it was idea of those FEW at Adyar who sees Radha daily.
> But sure I belive that Radha has also sent something to let people know
> that she is available for next term as she had already said that she won´t
> when she was on her sick leave. But no one is not talking about that
> "letter"
> at all. So everybody (members of GC) knew about Radha, but not about John.
>
> But still I feel everyone should make up their mind by themself and vote
> the candidate
> they think is the best choice for future of TS. Both are great choices
> if they are in good health.
> Though both are bit too old. But these are choices we have...
>
> Lets see how big campaining we may have in future....:-)
>
> mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> kirjoitti:
> >
> > It would be interesting to find out the players behind the scene. I
> > doubt it
> > was Elvira's idea to write the letter. We will know the full story when
> > someone discloses what went on.
> >
> > mkr
> >
> > On 5/25/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>
> > <mailto:jokelap%40dnainternet.net <jokelap%2540dnainternet.net>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as I know,Radha Burnier decide who will get working in Adyar.
> > > When Ms. Elvira Carbonelle arrived situation was that Mary Andersson
> > > was pretty much over loaded with work as President had been on her sick
> > > leave.
> > > Maybe Radha has decided what Ms. Carbonelle was about to do there.
> > > Remember that she wrote that FEW OF US at Adyar feel that Radha is
> > > overloading herslef with work if continuing one term more.
> > > John never wrote any campaining letter as far as I know.
> > > All this is sad but true.
> > >
> > > mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mailto:mkr777%40gmail.com<mkr777%2540gmail.com>>
> <mkr777%40gmail.com>
> > kirjoitti:
> > > >
> > > > May 24, 2008
> > > >
> > > > We have discussed, in the past, about Elvira Carbonell's e-mailed
> > letter
> > > > received by many GC members on December 19, 2007. The message can
> > be seen
> > > > using the link at the bottom.
> > > >
> > > > Elvira Carbonell was assistant to the International Secretary, Mary
> > > > Anderson
> > > > as such was occupying a position where she obviously handled a lot of
> > > > highly
> > > > sensitive and confidential information.
> > > >
> > > > When the Nomination Papers were mailed out or personally hand
> > delivered
> > > to
> > > > GC members in Adyar on, December 18, 2007, I do not think this
> > > information
> > > > was posted on the Adyar Notice Board or on the website. So, it was
> not
> > > > public information on that date.
> > > >
> > > > When Carbonell sent the email, she should have known that she had
> > > > access to
> > > > the information only because of her position as assistant to the
> > > > International Secretary. However good her motivations may be, she
> > should
> > > > have refrained from using that information and sending the e-mail and
> > > > considered about the consequences as anything put in writing will
> > > > ultimately
> > > > come out and bite you back.
> > > >
> > > > At first look at the text of the e-mail, I was very impressed with
> the
> > > > diction, style and punctuation. It showed mastery of English
> > language not
> > > > normally seen. So it is highly likely she had help from one or more
> > > people
> > > > who are experts at usage of English language.
> > > >
> > > > She also mentions that "several of us at Adyar feel the need to
> > write to
> > > > members of the General Council" and she presents herself to be the
> > > > spokesperson to those she was referring to.
> > > >
> > > > So we do not know, if it was her idea to send the email to GC
> > members or
> > > > others may have used her. More than likely, she was conveniently
> > used by
> > > > "several of us" as these "several of us" did not have the courage
> > to come
> > > > into the open stand up for what they believe.
> > > >
> > > > Later in the letter she mentions about Algeo having been contacted
> and
> > > his
> > > > consent to accept the nomination. So, planning on behalf of Algeo may
> > > have
> > > > been going on long before the nomination papers were mailed out.
> > > >
> > > > Elvira also signs the letter "Ms. Elvira Carbonell, Theosophical
> > Society,
> > > > Adyar, India" and one can be led to the impression that she is not
> > > writing
> > > > from her home. Also we do not know if she used the e-mail and
> computer
> > > > facilities of the TS HQ.
> > > >
> > > > When anyone in a highly sensitive or important position is seen to
> > > violate
> > > > the confidentiality, it is not uncommon that the person is terminated
> > > > on the
> > > > spot and asked to leave immediately. This is the normal practice in
> > > > the USA
> > > > and she being from USA should have known about it. In businesses,
> > I have
> > > > seen cases of persons called to the President's office and terminated
> > > > on the
> > > > spot and not even allowed to go back to their office to retrieve
> their
> > > > personal belongings. So if she is no longer at Adyar, it should
> > > > surprise no
> > > > one.
> > > >
> > > > I believe she was exploited by the undisclosed "several of us" and
> she
> > > > paid
> > > > the price. I hope some day, Elvira may tell us the whole story and we
> > > will
> > > > then know the real players who pulled the strings at the expense of
> > > > Elvira.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any more information, we would like to hear.
> > > >
> > > > M K Ramadoss, Member, San Antonio, Texas, USA
> > > >
> > > > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> > > >
> > > > For quick access to all the important messages on TS International
> > > > Election,
> > > > go to:
> > > >
> > > > http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm
> > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm>
> > > > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm
> > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm>>
> > > >
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