Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00541)

WHO BRINGS THE TRUTH 
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When I began to think for myself. which has been now for some years 
past. 1 found myself in revolt. I was not satisfied by any teachings. 
by any authority. I wanted to find out for myself what the World-
Teacher meant to me and what the Truth was behind the form of the 
World-Teacher. Before I began to think for myself. before I had the 
capadty to think for myself. 1 loOk it for granted that I. 
Krishnamurti. was the vehide of the World-Teacher because many people 
maintained that it was 50. But when I began to think. I wanted to 
find out what was meant by the World- Teacher. what was meant. by the 
taking of a vehide by the World­Teacher.and what was meant by His 
manifestation in 
the world. 
I am going to be purposely vague. because although 

I could quite easily make it definite. it is not my intention to do 
so. Because once you define a thing it becomes dead. If you make a 
thing definite - at least that is what I maintain - you are trying to 
give an interpre .? tation which in the minds of others will take a 
definite form and hence they will be bound by that form from which 
they will have to liberate themselves. 
What I am going to tell you is not on authority. and you must not 
obey. but understand. It is not a question of authority. nor of set 
lines which you must follow blindly _ that is what most of you are 
wanting. You want me to lay down the law. you want me to say: 1 am 50 
and 50; so that you can say: all right. we will work for you. That is 
not the reason why I am explaining. but is in order that we should 
understand each other. that we should help each other. I would make 
you see 


things now which you may see for yourselves, perhaps in this life or 
in some future life. 

Now, when I was a small boy I used to see Shri Krishna, with the 
flute. as He is pictured by the Hindus. because my mother was a 
devotee of Shri Krishna. She used to talk to me about Shri Krishna. 
and hence I created an image in my mind of Shri Krishna. with the 
flute. with all the devotion. all the love. all the songs ?. all the 
delight - you have no idea what a tremendous thing that is for the 
boys and girls of India. When I grew older and met with Bishop 
Leadbeater and the Theo­sophieal Society. I began to see the Master 
K. H.-again in the form which was put before me. the reality from 
their point of view - and hence the Master K. H. was to me the end. 
Later on. as I grew. 1 began to see the Lord Maitreya. That was two 
years ago. and I saw Him then constantly in the form put before me. 

I am telling you all this. not to obtain authority nor to create 
belief. but only in order to strengthen your own beliefs. your own 
hop es. your own minds and your OWn hearts. It has been a struggle 
all the time to find the Truth. beeause I was not satisfied by the 
authority of another. or the imposition of another. or the enticement 
of another. I wanted to discover for myself. and natu­rally I had to 
go through sufferings to find out. Now lately. it has been the Buddha 
whom I have been seeing. and it has been my delight and my glory to 
be with Him. 
I have been asked what I mean by the Beloved". 

I will give a meaning. an explanation, which you will interpret as 
you please. To me it is a11 - it is Shri Krishna, it is the Master K. 
H., it is the Lord Maitreya, ft is the Buddha, and yet it is beyond 
all these forma. 


What does it matter what name you give? You are fighting over the 
World-Teacher as a name. The world does not know about the World- 
Teacher: some of us know individually: some of us believe on 
authority: others have experience of their own. and knowledge of 
their own. But this is an individual thing and not a question about 
which the world will worry. What you are troubling about is whether 
there is such a person as the World-Teacher who has manifested 
Himself in the body of a certain person, Krishnamurti: but in the 
world nobody wi11 trouble about this question. So you wi11 see my 
point of view when I speak of my Beloved. It is an unfortunate thing 
that I have ti' explain. but I must. I want it to be as vague as 
possible, and I hope I have made it s My Beloved is the open skies, 
the flower, every human being. 

I said to myse1f: until I become one with all the Teach­ers. whether 
They are the same is not of great impor­tance: whether Shri Krishna, 
Christ, the Lord Maitreya, are one is again a matter of no great 
consequence. I said to myself: as long as I see Them outside as in a 
picture, an objective thing, 1 am separate. I am away Erom the 
centre: but when I have the capacity, when I have the strength. when 
I have the determination, when I am purified and ennobled. then that 
barrier. that sepa­ration, will disappear. 1 was not satisfied ti1l 
that barrier was broken down, till that separateness was destroyed. 
Till I was able to say with certainty, with­out any undue excitement, 
or exaggeration in order to convince others. that I was one with my 
Beloved. I never spoke. I talked of vague generalities which 
everybody wanted. I never said: . I am the World- Teacher: but now 
that 1 fee! I am one with the Beloved, I say it, not 
in order to impress my authority on you,nor to convince you of my 
greatness, nor of the greatness of the World -teacher, nor even of 
the beauty of life, the simplicןty of life, but merely to awaken the 
desire in your own hearts and in your own minds to seek out the 
Truth. If I say, and I will say, that I am one with the Be1oved, it 
is because I fee! and know it. 1 have found what I longed for, I have 
become united, so that henceforth there will be no separation, 
because my thoughts. my desires, my longings - those of the 
individual self - have been destroyed. 

Hence l am abIe to say that I am one with the Be1oved - whether you 
interpret it as the Buddha, the Lord Maitreya. Shri Krishna, the 
Christ, or any other name. 

For sixteen years you have worshipped the picture which has not 
spoken, which you have interpreted as you pleased, which has inspired 
you, given you tran¬quillity, given you inspiration in moments of 
depression. You were able to hold to that picture because that 
picture did not speak, it was not alive. there was nothing to be kept 
alive: but now that the picture, which you have worshipped, which you 
have created for your¬se1ves, which has inspired you, becomes alive 
and speaks, you say: Can that picture, which I worshipped, be right? 
Can it speak? Has it any authority? Has it the power to represent the 
World-Teacher? Has it the magnitude of His wisdom, the greatness of 
His compassion, fully deve1oped and can it be manifest in one 
individual? These of course are questions which you must solve for 
yourse1ves. You remember the well-known story by Dostoievsky in which 
the Christ reappears1 He had been preaching and He went at last to 
Rome, and the Pope invited Him, and in secrecy fell on his knees and 
worshipped and adored Him. hut kept Him imprisoned. He said: "We 
worship you in secrecy. we admit that you are the Christ. but if you 
go outside. you will cause so  much trouble. you will create doubts. 
when we have tried to que11 them:' 

- Now that picture is beginning to get alive. and you cannot have 
anything realo you cannot have anything true. which is not alive. You 
may worship a tree in the winter~time. but it is much more beautiful 
in the spring, when the buds. when the bees and the birds, when a11 
the worlds. begin to be alive. Through the years of winter you have 
been silent and not questioning yourselves very sincerely,. it has 
heen comparatively easy:; but now you must decide for yourselves what 
it a11 mean 
	. 	Before. it was easy to say that you expected a 
WorldTeacher and it meant very little. but now you are face to face 
with the problem of that picture coming to life.   Whether you are 
going to worship continua11y a mere picture. or worship the reality 
of that picture. must. of course. be left to the individual. But do 
not, please. try to use your authority to persuade another. as I do 
not use mine to convince you· of the truth of that picture being 
alive. To me it is alive. Though I used to worship that picture. 1 
was not satisfied in the mere worshipping. I wanted to find out. to 
get behind the frame of that picture. to look through the eyes. think 
through the mind. feel through the heart of that picture. 1 was not 
satisfied. and because of my dissatisfaction. because of 
 my discontentment, because of my sorrows. I was able te identify 
myself with the picture and hence l am the picture, 
There is nothing very complicated about it, nothing very mysterious. 
nothing to beexcited about in order to convince others. It is when 
you are wlling to put yourself under some authority that you wll be 
broken _ and quite rightly - because authority varies from day to 
day. One day it will be one person. another day it will be another. 
and woe to the man that bends to any or all of them. That is the very 
thing that you must not have. and that is what you are trying to 
bring about. You want an authority that will give you courage. that 
will make you develop more fully: but no external authority will ever 
give you the power to develop. Whether the truth which the picture 
speaks. when it has come to life. is of importance or not must be 
examined by yourselves. 
It has been my practice to listen to everybody. always. 1 desired to 
learn. from the gardener. from the pariah. from the untouchable. from 
my neighbour. from my friend. from everything that could teach. in 
order to become one with the Beloved. When I had listened to all. and 
gathered the Truth wherever I found it. I was able to develop myself 
fully. Now. you are waiting fot the Truth to come out of one person. 
You are waiting for that Truth to be developed. to be forced upen you 
by authority. and you are worshipping that person instead of the 
Truth. 
When Krishnamurti dies. which is inevitabIe. you will make a 
religion. you will set about forming rules in your minds. because the 
individual, Krishnamurti. has represented to you the Truth. So you 
will build a temple. you will then begin to have ceremonies. to 
invent phrases. dogmas. systems of be1iefs. creeds. and to ereate 
philosophies. If you build great foundations upon me. the individual, 
you will be caught in that house. in that temple. and so you will 
have to have another Teacher come and extricate you from that temple. 
pull you out of that narrowness in order to liberate you. But the 
human mind is such that you will build another temple round Him. and 
so it will go on and on. 

But those who understand. who do not depend on authority. who hold 
all peoples in their hearts. will not build temples - they will 
really understand. It is because a few have truly desired to help 
other people. that they have found it simple. Others who have not 
understood. although they talk a great deal about it. and of how they 
will interpret the teaching. will have difficulties. Itis perfectly 
simple for me to go out inlo the world and teach. The people of the 
world are not -concerned with whether it is a manifestation. or an 
indwelling. or a visitation into the tabemacle prepared for many 
years. or Krishnamurti himself. What they are going to say is: I am 
suffering. I have my passing pleasures and changing sorrows - have 
you anything lasting to give? You say you have found Happiness end 
Liberation - can you give me of that. so that I can enter into your 
kingdom. into your world? That is all they are concemed about and not 
the badges. the orders. the regulations. the books. 
They want to see the living waters that flow under the bridge of 
human beings. so that they can swim with those waters into the vast 
ocean. And what you are concerned with all the time is how you are 
going lo interpret. You have not found the Truth for yourse1ves. you 
are limited. and yet you are trying to set other people free. How are 
you going to do it? How are you going to discover what is true. what 
is false, what is the World Teacher. what is reality if you have 
not cleared the stagnation from the pool so that it will reflect the 
Truth? 
I have always in this life. and perhaps in past lives. desired one 
thing: to escape. to be beyond Sórrow, beyond limitations. to 
discover my Guru. my Beloved ­whih is your Guru and your Beloved. the 
Guru. the Beloved who exists in everybody. who exists under ever, 
common stone. in every blade of grass that is trodden upon. It has 
been my desire. my longing. to become united with Him so that I 
should no longer feel that I was separate. no longer be a different 
entity. with a separate self. When I was able to destroy that self 
utterly. 1 was able to unite myself with my Beloved. Hence. because I 
have found my Beloved. my Truth. I want to give it to you. 
I am as the flower that gives scent to the morning air. 
It does not concern itself with who is passing by. It gives its 
scent. and those who are happy. who are suffering. will breathe that 
scent. But those who are contented. who are not longing. who do not 
care. who have no idea of the delights of the scent. will pass by 
unheeding. Are you going to compel them to stop and breathe that 
scent? You are concerned with how you are going to convince them. Why 
should you convince them? You will only convince those who are really 
searching. It is because you are doubting in your own search. th at 
you are not searching truly. You are satis­fied with your little 
knowIedge. your little authorities. You want those authorities to 
speak. to save you from your doubts. 
Suppose a certain person was able to tell you that I am the World-
Teacher. in what way would it help. in what way would it alter the 
Truth? In what way w6uld understanding come to your heart, and 
knowledge to your mind? If you depend on authority. you will . 
building your foundations on the sands, and the wave ­of sorrow will 
come and wash them away.But if you build your foundations in stone. 
the stone of your own experience. of your own knowIedge. of your own 
sorrows and your own sufferings. if you are able to . build your 
house on that. briek by briek. experience upon.experienee. then you 
will be able to convince others.

Until now you have been depending on the two Protectors of the Order 
for authority. on someone eIse to teIl you the Truth. whereas the 
Truth lies within you.. In your own hearts. in your own experience. 
you will find the Truth. and that is the only thing of value. That 
alone will satisfy your afflictions. that alone will clear away your 
sorrows. and that is why I feel I have got to speak of these things. 

I could not have said last year. as I can say now. that' I am the 
Teacher: for had I said it then it would have been insincere. it 
would have been untrue. Because I had not then united the Source and 
the Goal. I was not abIe to say that I was the Teacher. But now I can 
say it. 1 have become one with the Beloved. I have hem made simple. I 
have become glorified because of Him. and because of Him I can help. 
My purpose is not to create discussions on authority. on 
manifestations in the personality of Krishnamurti. but to give the 
waters that shall wash away your sorrows.your petty tyrannies. your 
limitations. so that you will be free. so that you will eventually 
join that ocean where there is no limitation. where there is the 
Beloved. 

I hope I have made it clear. To the minds that will understand. it 
should be clear. The minds and the hearts that have groped, that have 
searched, that have Ionged to find the Truth - they will Eind it. You 
are net going to convince, to alter the mode of life in those who do 
not desire to alter. But as I have changed and become one with the 
Beloved, as I have found my end, which is the end for all, and as I 
have become united with the end, because I have affection - and 
without affection you cannot attain the end - because 1 bear love, 
because 1 have suffered and seen and found all, naturally it is my 
duty, it is my pleasure, my dharma, to give it to those who have not. 

Whether 1 give it through the Order of the Star, or through any other 
body, that is of no value. People are not going to be concemed 
through what body it comes. They are only going to be satisfied if 
their sorrows, their pleasures, their passing vanities, their 
fleeting desires, can be killed and a greater thing than these 
established. 

When once you understand the Truth of this Liberation and of this 
Happiness, it will set you free from yourselves, from all your 
vanities, pleasures, afflictions and sorrows. As 1 have attained 
Liberation. 1 want to give of it. But you say: You must give it in a 
certain fashion, you must be able to give it in a certain 
phraseology, in a certain fashion of language. Does it really matter 
out of what glass you drink the water, so long as that water is able 
to quench your thirst? Does it rea11y matter who feeds you, so long 
as by that food you are satisfied and strengthened? 

Because you have been accustomed for centuries to labels, you want 
life to be labelled. You want Krishnamurti to be labelled, and in a 
definite manner, so that you can say: Now 1 can understand - and then 
you think there will be peace within you. 1 am afraid it is n 

going to be that way. Can you bind the waters of the sea? People have 
tried, but there is always disaster.
I do not want to be bound, because that means limitation.You cannot 
bind the air. You can hold it, you can pollute it, you can put poison 
in that air, but the air ,which is outside, which is for all, you can 
never control. I am not going to be bound by anyone. 1 am going on my 
way,because that is the only way.I have found
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what 1 wanted. 1 have been united with my Beloved,  and my Beloved 
and 1 will wander together the face of 

the earth. 
You will never be able to force people, whatever authority, whatever 
dread, whatever threats of damnation  you may use. That age is past. 
This is an age 

of revolution and of turmoil. There is a desire to know everything 
for oneself, and because you have not that desire inside you, you are 
being kept in the world of limitation. You think you have found, but 
you have not found. Because you have been made certain in your 
. little uncertainties, you think you can convert the world. 

When the Eiffel Tower was built, it thought itself the most 
beautiful, the most wonderful, the highest thing in tbe world, till a 
small aeroplane came flying over it. You are all thinking that you 
can run with the deer and roar with the lion, but you can only run 
with the deer and roar with the lion when you have become united with 
the Beloved. It is no good asking me who is the Beloved. Of what use 
is explanation? For you will not {understand the Beloved, until you 
are able to see Him every animal, in every blade of grass, in every 
person that is suffering, in every individual. 

So,friend, the only thing that matters is that you should give the 
waters that will quench the thirst of the people _ the people who are 
not here. who are in the world. And the water that will give 
satisfaction. that will purify their hearts. ennoble their minds. is 
this: the finding of the Truth. and the establishing in their own 
minds and in their own hearts of Liberation and Happiness. 

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This was one of the teachings from J Krishnamurti 2 august 1927 
presenting in the Netherlands.
So were can we see that he failed????????????>
He does not at all.He gave good vision in the way it works.
I want to publish this because of the possibly jealousy way Anand 
speaks about J Krishnamurti.
And he did not want to impress anything in one's mind, for sure not  
the wrong way.
Let Anand give one reading , which proves his saying that J 
Krisnamurti failed!!!!!!!!!
Sure Anand read with his own colored glasses and not th way it is or 
was.
So let him not throw with mud on anyone who spent his or her time for 
helping others.
Christina