Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00463)

Dear Ramadoss,

>If there was any question about the certificates or the competency 
of the doctors, don't you think we would have heard long ago from the 
Nominators of John Algeo who were alleged poor mental and physical 
health of Radha Burnier? Just the long silence speaks very much 
louder than any amount of words. We are all grown up and see what is 
going on.<

I certainly don't bring the competency of the doctors under the 
question but just saying that they expressed their subjective 
opinion, that an Occupational Medicine specialist would probably 
treat the situation differently, that probably some other doctor in 
America or Europe would possibly have different opinion too, that we 
can not consider any opinion of any doctor as the only possible one 
and the only objective. 

But my main point is that the only person who should evaluate the 
situation and act in the best interest of the Theosophical Society is 
the President herself.

Anton



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> I have again looked at the medical certificates issued by the two
> physicians. Both are Internists - doctors trained in diagnosing and 
treating
> adults.
> 
> In the USA, even from childhood, many do periodically get fitness
> certificates from a doctor. This can be obtained from Children 
Doctors,
> Family Doctors, Internists or anyone who is licensed to practice 
medicine.
> 
> For example, even children need to get a certificate that they are
> physically fit. It does not detail what tests are done, what the 
results and
> what interpretations are. It just says whether the person is fit or 
not or
> even partially fit -- limiting to certain activities.
> 
> In the light of the above, I do not have any ground to question the
> professional judgement of the two doctors. In addition, we have to 
note that
> first one is Radha Burnier's doctor for ten years and second one is 
the
> Principal (President) of the Medical School (College) in addition 
to being
> he head of the Dept of Medicine.
> 
> If there was any question about the certificates or the competency 
of the
> doctors, don't you think we would have heard long ago from the 
Nominators of
> John Algeo who were alleged poor mental and physical health of Radha
> Burnier? Just the long silence speaks very much louder than any 
amount
> of words. We are all grown up and see what is going on.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> mkr
> THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> 
> On 5/11/08, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Let me start with two presumptions; firstly, there isn't present 
in
> > the Society an overall agreement or consensus on what the role or 
job
> > of the President is or should be; and secondly, the actual 
election
> > process is probably going on as all previous ones but with the
> > distinction that it became open to the public because of the 
internet
> > and that this fact has created the situations to which we aren't
> > accustomed to and therefore much of tension.
> >
> > According to the Rules and Regulations of the Theosophical Society
> > the President has a lot of duties and responsibilities: she/he is
> > Executive Officer and conducts and directs the business of the
> > Society, she/he is Chairman of the General Council and the 
Executive
> > Committee and therefore actively involved in the preparation of 
all
> > necessary documents and decisions of these bodies; she/he is
> > custodian of all archives and records of the Society; she/he makes
> > temporary appointments in the offices of the Society; she/he co-
> > receives all subscriptions, donations and other moneys; she/he 
have
> > control over the securities and invested funds of the Society, 
over
> > the transfer of assets of the Society, investments, disposal of 
Adyar
> > Estate, and so on, and over all related documents; she/he sues in 
the
> > name of the Society; she/he issues the permissions to reside in 
the
> > Adyar Estate; she/he issues the Charters and Diplomas, and so on.
> >
> > Now, the branch of medicine which occupies itself with the fitness
> > for the jobs is Occupational Medicine and is directed by
> > corresponding specialists who execute, among other examinations, 
also
> > what is usually called Preventive Health Examination with 
extensive
> > medical examination of various parameters. At the end of this
> > examination a medical certificate is issued by the specialist (In
> > Slovenia every person who starts new employment must go through 
this
> > examination).
> >
> > The documents which are now presented to the public in regard to 
the
> > health of the actual President are not medical certificates as 
they
> > do not report the results of medical examination (such document is
> > strictly confidential) but are doctors' opinions based on their
> > examination of the health of the actual President. We don't know 
to
> > what kind of medical examinations the President was exposed to 
and to
> > what branch of medicine the doctors belong to but it seems from 
their
> > letters that their examinations were executed at the Headquarters 
of
> > the Society and that no special medical examinations were held, 
and
> > that that on the basis of these examinations the doctors opinions 
are
> > that the actual President is "fit to undertake any responsibility
> > involving strenuous physical and mental activity" and travel and
> > that "she is able to exercise her work as the president of the
> > Theosophical society".
> >
> > Common sense tells me that in the case of 84 year old person who 
had
> > a stroke such statements hardly reflects the actual situation and
> > that doctors comments regarding the situation in the Society and 
the
> > time when they were issued, clearly indicates that these documents
> > were produced because of the President's needs in regard to the
> > election process.
> >
> > In the absence of the practice that the candidates for the office 
of
> > the President should expose themselves to the overall medical
> > examination the election process became, quite naturally in my
> > opinion, influenced by the suspicions in regard to the actual
> > President's fitness from the part of, but far not only, the
> > supporters of contra candidate and by the reaction of the 
supporters
> > of the actual President with the production of documents in her
> > favor.
> >
> > So, we are witnessing, in my view, an improper behavior from the 
part
> > of supporters of both candidates and don't have an impartial 
medical
> > opinion regarding the health of the actual President. Probably the
> > truth is, as always, somewhere in the middle.
> >
> > The solution of this unpleasant situation was and is only in the
> > hands of the candidates, but in the first place in the hands of 
the
> > actual President, for both candidates are also members of the
> > Executive Committee and General Council and therefore it is hard 
to
> > believe that these bodies will be even able to meet before the
> > conclusion of the elections.
> >
> > Anton
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
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