Theos-Talk Archives (April 2008 Message tt00331)

I have a different take.? Ok, I'll admit that I've always questioned Radha's mental fitness from the first day that she staggered into Olcott.? I've also had a few minor run-ins with John but we always ended up laughing about them.? (He even forgave me for sleeping through his talk at the World Parliament of Religions in 1993.)? But the real reason that I want John to win is that I don't think the TS Presidency should be considered a lifetime appointment.? Radha losing the election would signal the?society that the president ain't no bloody Pope.? Once that aura is broken, maybe it might be possible to have the international administration behave in some rational manner towards the rest of the TS.

?Chuck the Heretic


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-----Original Message-----
From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Theos-World Three Reasons to prefer Algeo over Burnier






Dear Shuller:

The central issue is Radha Burnier's current physical and mental fitness..

I fault the General Secretaries in the way they addressed the issue. They
should have addressed it head on ahead of time of nomination. Also when the
Doctors certificates came out, they have kept silent. Not only silent, they
did not make any attempt to disseminate the information to the members so
far. All members deserve to be informed of this important information,
because if you listen to some of the nominators' layman/woman opinion,
Radha Burnier is very sick - mentally and physically and the doctors who
have examined her give her a totally different opinion.

I think that is very unfair to members. There are many physician members and
highly educated members who either have first hand information on health
matters or can research the doctors certificates and dissect the reports and
interpret and share the interpretation on the Internet for all of us to be
educated. That would make us use our intelligent judgement before we
exercise our votes.

So this seems to simply show that the old-time pre-internet mentality still
prevails at the highest levels. In the past, they had control over the
channel of information, so they could fine tune and feed info to members
what they like. Thus in important matters members were kept in the dark and
elections were channeled in the direction they liked and got their man or
woman elected. Fortunately for members we have Internet today.

But for the unmoderated maillist like this one, today we would not be
exchanging ideas and information and keep up with world-wide developments.

Also, these Internet forums are free and all the leaders could have used it
to discuss all their points of view and it is free and all you need is an
Internet connection. They have not done so.Why?

mkr

On 4/30/08, Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus.org> wrote:
>
> Dear MKR,
>
> I'm glad for Radha Burnier and the TS that she's fit and well, for the
> moment. As I stated "I have not heard anyone of them [Radha's physicians]
> addressing the advisability of her continuing in her office into her 90s."
> I
> perceive this 'advisability' as more central than her present fitness.
>
> She is 84 years old, did suffer a mild stroke, served 28 years as PTS, is
> perceived by some, contrary to her physicians, as actually not fit, and
> she
> deserves to retire.
>
> I could construe, for the sake of argument, the silence of her physicians
> on
> that imo more central topic of the advisability of staying in office for
> another 7 years as conspicuous, especially now I am informing myself about
> "TRANSIENT ISCHEMIC ATTACK (TIA)," which her physician Dr. P Thirumalai
> stated that she suffered from. The American Heart Association (AHA) calls
> it
> a "warning stroke." In a next e-mail I will post the AHA info on TIA, so
> people can get a sense whether it would be desirable to have also a
> professional opinion on the advisability issue.
>
> Govert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MKR" <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Three Reasons to prefer Algeo over Burnier
>
> > Thanks for your post.
> >
> > The key issue in the current election is Radha Burnier's physical and
> mental
> > health.
> >
> > All the electioneering going on against her is based on her poor mental
> and
> > physical health.
> >
> > Even after taking the unusal step of getting examined by two physicians
> and
> > their giving a certificate of her current fit health, the leaders of the
> > sections who have canvassed their members on the basis of poor health of
> > Radha Burnier, have not had the courage of telling their members of the
> fact
> > that two physicians have declared her fit. Also there was a third
> physician
> > who is a General Secretary in Europe who also independently said she is
> in
> a
> > fit condition. So the nominators using Radha's health issue does not
> seem
> to
> > have any trust in the judgement of a brother Secretary who has medical
> > credentials. Incredible!!!
> >
> > The Secretaries trying to steal the election (to use the political term
> > normally used in the US) based on erroneous health information is the
> > unfortunate situation for an organization which is supposed to hold
> highest
> > ethical and moral values. All those who are supporting Algeo have been
> > keeping silent hoping all this will go away.
> >
> > That would have been so in pre Internet days when the leaders
> > controlled free flow of information to members. Fortunately, now with
> > Internet, we are able to discuss them here without interference and I
> hope
> > in the long run it will work out. I do not know what kind of Karma is in
> > store for TS.
> >
> > If non-age issue was key, then the nominators and nominee should have
> been
> > upfront from day one when "real" electioneering started, which I suspect
> is
> > about three years ago.
> >
> > I hope more members are accessing the maillist and keeping themselves
> fully
> > informed.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> >
> > On 4/29/08, Govert Schuller <schuller@alpheus.org<schuller%40alpheus.org>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Carol Stream, April 29, 2008
> > >
> > > Dear Brothers and Sisters,
> > >
> > > Greetings to all, especially Ramadoss, Chuck, Daniel, Paul Johnson,
> > > Katinka,
> > > Anand, and also all those who were so kind to discuss recently my
> views
> on
> > > Krishnamurti and the Theosophical Movement. (BTW, I'm not Gerald J.
> > > Schueler, Ph.D, as some of you might think)
> > >
> > > It has been a long time since I participated, but the upcoming PTS
> > > election
> > > is too important a subject to stay silent about. For starters, the
> > > following
> > > are my 3 reasons for preferring John Algeo over Radha Burnier:
> > >
> > > 1) My impression is that Adyar needs a long overdue technology
> upgrade.
> > > I'm
> > > sure Algeo, with his experience with the technology upgrades at
> Wheaton,
> > > will get things moving into the right direction. His experience and
> > > attitude
> > > is quite different from Burnier. Many theosophists reported that
> Burnier
> > > was
> > > not enthusiastic about the Internet and I perceive the Adyar web site
> as
> a
> > > reflection of that.
> > >
> > > 2) Algeo is more neutral and balanced in his perception of
> Krishnamurti.
> > > Radha sees K as the messiah and Algeo thinks there is a certain
> idealizing
> > > of K going on in the TS with the risk of creating another kind of
> > > sectarianism, which I would call Theosophical Krishnamurti-ism or
> Esoteric
> > > Krishnamurtianity.
> > >
> > > 3) As far as age and health are concerned I am, with many others,
> > > skeptical
> > > about Radha's fitness to take on another 7 years. She might be
> declared
> > > fit
> > > by her present physicians, but I have not heard anyone of them
> addressing
> > > the advisability of her continuing in her office into her 90s. And 28
> > > years
> > > of service is quite enough.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Govert W. Schuller
> > >
> > > P.S.: To Ramadoss 4/28: Yes, we have received our ballots in the USA.
> > >
> > > To Ramadoss 4/28: The forum started by Chris Richardson is
> semi-moderated.
> > > Posting is restricted to 'authors,' but comments are unrestricted, and
> > > it's
> > > mostly in the comments that the real meat is to be found. Chris is a
> > > Theosophist who thinks for himself and his agenda is the improvement
> of
> > > the
> > > organizational culture and governance model at the TSA.
> > >
> > > The Theosophical Society: A forum for the discussion of institutional
> > > issues. http://theosophicalsociety.wordpress.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
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