Theos-Talk Archives (April 2008 Message tt00209)

It does not matter whether anyone believes whether it is me or someone else
who is pretending to be me.

Proof of the pudding is in eating as they say.

Anyone who has any doubts about the accuracy of any documentary information
I have mentioned, can verify them from the General Secretary/President of
the Section and satisfy themselves, since I believe they have seen the
documentation I have mentioned.

If anyone has any information which is contrary to the ones I have
discussed, feel free to share with us all. Earlier we do it, it is better
for theosophy and TS and all of us.

All we want to is to get at the facts.

I strongly believe in  the dictum  "Truth will Triumph".

mkr

"There is No Religion Higher Than Truth"



On 4/24/08, kenosis_ao <kenosisao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   Sir,
>
> Well, but again, on the internet, anyone can setup a profile to say
> that they are someone they are not. The person who is writing this
> forum may or may not be Mr Ramadoss in Texas.
>
> At this time, please know that I am a sincere Theosophist, with
> several years experience in a Lodge. I do not hold/have never held
> any national Presidential, Vice Presidential, Secretarial or
> financial office but am involved at the local lodge level.
>
> Or, honestly, under my own level of evidence, I might not be who I
> say I am either - you can decide based solely upon what I have said;
> this is the internet. But I have not made any strong statements and
> therefore do not need to defend my identity.
>
> I do not feel the need to disclose more as I am making no allegations
> but only calling for hard evidence and for all within this forum to
> continue to live within our professed ethics.
>
> I am not indicating that you are doing otherwise; only indicating
> that it is now time for 'the accused' to have their own say about
> these strong accusations.
>
> Their previous track record is honorable and the accusations are not
> what I would see as expected behavior, therefore they each naturally
> have right-of-response.
>
> --- In theos-l@yahoogroups.com <theos-l%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR <mkr777@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your quick response.
> >
> > I am not anonymous. All you need is to google me -- "M K Ramadoss".
> You will
> > find me, business and home addresses, phone numbers and even a map
> to get to
> > my home. You can also see a picture of my home on Google. You can
> even find
> > the value of my home!!!
> >
> > Googling, you will also find many messages I have posted on various
> topics
> > in maillists over the past several years.
> >
> > I have the scanned doctor's certificates. Since the maillists do
> not allow
> > attachments, I had to post the text version.
> >
> > If you have any questions about the veracity of any of the
> documentation or
> > any of the facts, you can contact your national president or
> secretary and
> > check with them. If you find any contradictory or incomplete info,
> please
> > feel free to post it here. All should be ready to be corrected.
> >
> > As I believe, in the long run, "Truth with Triumph".
> >
> > M K Ramadoss
> > San Antonio, Texas, San Antonio
> >
> > PS: Would you care to disclose about yourself, the kind of personal
> > information I have made available about myself. Readers would be
> indeed
> > interested.
> >
> >
> > On 4/24/08, kenosis_ao <kenosisao@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you, Sir.
> > >
> > > I did already see the posts indicated by you including the
> Doctor's
> > > statements and form letter before I wrote my last post asking to
> see
> > > the scanned originals, but honestly, these are not scanned
> originals
> > > and are only 'cut & paste' letters.
> > >
> > > As the internet is anonymous and I do not know you, and you are
> > > making strong statements against people with years of dedicated
> > > service, my standard of evidence will neccesarily remain high.
> > >
> > > I hope you understand that anyone can generate a letter on the
> > > internet that purports to be from someone else. While I am not at
> all
> > > indicating that this is what you or someone else is doing, it is
> > > possible and as such is the nature of your accusations, Truth
> demands
> > > a higher standard of evidence.
> > >
> > > --- In theos-l@yahoogroups.com <theos-l%40yahoogroups.com> <theos-l%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your response.
> > > >
> > > > I have posted the form letter from the TS President/National
> > > Secretary in
> > > > the USA.
> > > >
> > > > Also I have posted the two certificates from doctors certifying
> her
> > > state of
> > > > health.
> > > >
> > > > If you do not find them here, you can find them on theos-talk
> > > archives,
> > > >
> > > > As they say let the facts come out, and come out quickly and let
> > > the chips
> > > > fall where they may.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has any factual information that contradicts what I
> have
> > > posted, I
> > > > welcome them to post it here. All of us will be benefitted by
> more
> > > accurate
> > > > information.
> > > >
> > > > So far none of those organizational leaders and their surrogates
> > > have not
> > > > presented any factual info here.
> > > >
> > > > These maillists are free. Does not cost a cent or penny or
> paise.
> > > >
> > > > Due to the potential long term harm that will be done to the TS,
> > > more facts
> > > > cannot but help. We who believe in "There is No Religion Higher
> > > Than
> > > > Truth", need not fear truth. Let us go wherever Truth leads us.
> Only
> > > > accurate facts can lead us.
> > > >
> > > > I welcome more responses on the above.
> > > >
> > > > mkr
> > > >
> > > > PS: Due the important nature of the issue on hand, I am posting
> my
> > > response
> > > > to theos-talk also.
> > > >
> > > > On 4/24/08, kenosis_ao <kenosisao@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sir,
> > > > >
> > > > > From my individual members' point of view, I see that you are
> > > making
> > > > > unfounded allegations (I certainly have not seen any 'form
> letter'
> > > > > from the VP, nor have I seen the letters of the 2 doctors
> that you
> > > > > purport, nor have I seen our President's response, nor have I
> seen
> > > > > anything from our Vice President in response).
> > > > >
> > > > > I would AGAIN ask you to further refrain from your inflamatory
> > > tone
> > > > > and let the facts now come out. Including and especially your
> own
> > > > > purported proofs supporting your allegations. Find a scanner
> and
> > > > > upload your files for us to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Everything that YOU have stated is also unfounded at this
> time.
> > > The
> > > > > balance must be weighed fully and this will require
> documentation,
> > > > > not just loud proclamations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Show your own proofs and stop making unfounded statements.
> > > > > You say these forums are uncensored; politely I ask you to
> make
> > > your
> > > > > case with actual evidence. If you now censor me in this
> request,
> > > then
> > > > > we will have better discernment of what is really going on.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my experience of the 'theosophical leadership' it is most
> > > likely
> > > > > that they are busy actually doing theosophical work. The
> Internet
> > > is
> > > > > a large place and impossible to keep monitored for inflamatory
> > > speech.
> > > > > Forums change weekly (I have been a TS member for several
> years
> > > and
> > > > > work in technology and had never heard of these 2 Yahoo lists
> nor
> > > any
> > > > > others that you speak of for example).
> > > > >
> > > > > Your accusing the leadership of 'fear of forum use' is pure
> > > > > speculation and innuendo and PLEASE DESIST.
> > > > >
> > > > > You state in an earlier email that the VP was chosen by the
> > > President
> > > > > several times for his trusted role. I would therefore trust
> the
> > > > > President and the VP to respond in a timely and open manner.
> > > > >
> > > > > From you Sir: more Light, less Heat!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-l@yahoogroups.com <theos-l%40yahoogroups.com><theos-l%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> <theos-l%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > <mkr777@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your comments are very welcome and timely. I hope more
> readers
> > > will
> > > > > post
> > > > > > their opinions. More the merrier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As an individual member, I feel we have been kept in the
> dark
> > > as to
> > > > > what
> > > > > > politiking was going on. First inkling I got about the
> election
> > > > > issues was
> > > > > > when I got a personal form letter from the President in the
> USA,
> > > > > like of
> > > > > > which I have never seen in my years of association with
> > > theosophy.
> > > > > Also
> > > > > > using the official mailing list for a personal mailing is
> > > unheard
> > > > > of.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As they say "Truth with Triumph", let all the facts be
> placed
> > > > > before the
> > > > > > membership so that they are fully informed and vote their
> > > > > conscience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When electioneering and propaganda is made on the basis of
> > > > > incorrect and
> > > > > > perhaps false information, we have a right to question the
> > > facts.
> > > > > Truth
> > > > > > should speak for itself, without fear or favor and all other
> > > formal
> > > > > display
> > > > > > for respectfulness and other considerations should take a
> back
> > > > > seat. Respect
> > > > > > is earned by actions and cannot be demanded in a free world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As an additional issue, for years theosophical maillists
> have
> > > been
> > > > > active.
> > > > > > These were setup by independent individual theosophists and
> are
> > > not
> > > > > > controlled or censored. We should be thankful to them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we have seen is that none of the organizational leaders
> > > have
> > > > > ever taken
> > > > > > advantage
> > > > > > of these lists to interact with those interested in
> theosophy.
> > > Also
> > > > > we
> > > > > > have not seen any of those active
> > > > > > in the organizations participate in these lists. One
> wonders if
> > > > > there is an
> > > > > > unwritten rule or fear that prevents
> > > > > > participation, because in the days of old when printed
> material
> > > is
> > > > > the only
> > > > > > way to distribute the
> > > > > > information, organizations were able to control the flow of
> > > > > information, and
> > > > > > today no one is able to
> > > > > > control what goes on in the cyberspace. This is in spite of
> the
> > > > > > organizations talking about technology
> > > > > > and asking for your money donations for their pet Internet
> > > projects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe, now we are facing a critical time for the TS,
> which
> > > if
> > > > > not
> > > > > > handled properly can lead to very
> > > > > > serious long term problems to the TS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M K Ramadoss
> > > > > > San Antonio Texas USA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: I am also posting this msg on theos-talk. If you are
> not on
> > > > > that list, I
> > > > > > highly recommend it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/24/08, kenosis_ao <kenosisao@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sir,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While I respect that there may or may not be items needed
> for
> > > > > further
> > > > > > > investigation in the upcoming Election process, I for one
> > > would
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > to hear what our President and Vice President have to say
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > > matters raised directly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your own tone is not in keeping with Theosophical
> principles
> > > of
> > > > > > > Brotherhood and actually detracts from the case that you
> are
> > > > > > > presenting; your tone borders on insult and makes it look
> as
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > are not asking for an impartial investigation into your
> > > > > allegations,
> > > > > > > but in fact have an agenda of your own.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am a neutral party and unaware of the truth or untruth
> of
> > > your
> > > > > > > allegations, but until they are addressed publically by
> the
> > > > > parties
> > > > > > > involved, then further allegations appears to be mere
> muck-
> > > raking
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > is unseemly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would ask for you to keep your questions & tone
> respectful
> > > until
> > > > > > > the serious allegations you raise can be addressed by the
> > > esteemed
> > > > > > > people they are leveled against.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If your allegations are later determined to be founded,
> then
> > > we
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > thank you for your diligence. Until that time our
> principles
> > > > > demand
> > > > > > > that we hear from the parties these allegations concern.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Truth is the Highest Religion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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