Theos-Talk Archives (April 2008 Message tt00124)

The situation is complex indeed - but what financially runs the 
organization, as does a state, is the financial input each individual 
member pays every year in form of fee or tax. This is her/his power 
transferred or invested to the authority. But how many claim that 
their money should be used according to their vision of Brotherhood 
or according to their vision of what is common interest. The great 
majority probably doesn't even think about the necessity to have such 
vision of their own (although they subscribed to Brotherhood in 
theory, as you say) and even fear to ask for information what their 
money is used for. There is no need that one should be perfect to 
have the right to her/his own vision and opinion and that her/his 
opinion should count. I am not saying that things can or should 
change through the night but it would help much if members would be 
aware of their individual power and make it operate in constructive 
manner.

Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> The situation in TS is far more complicated. When you have an 
organization
> with property and power, along with it comes built-in problems. 
Even with
> all of us subscribing to Brotherhood in theory, we are all not 
perfect and
> we have our own limitations of preferences and prejudices etc. I 
have seen
> it first hand even though many of these things are very subtle 
indeed.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...>
> wrote:
> 
> >   The problem is that democracy demands participation of each
> > individual - self-governed, well-informed, courageous and active
> > individual. There are too many who are, for various reasons, 
willing
> > to transmit their power to the authority. The change of actual
> > situation depends on that how many will accept their unique role 
in
> > the fate of humanity. And this is the ground where theosophy and
> > democracy meet.
> >
> > Anton
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, 
MKR
> > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Theosophy is something personal and integral to everyone of us
> > exposed to
> > > us. What we do with it or not is up to us. No one forces us to 
act
> > unless we
> > > decide to do so.
> > >
> > > As for the organization, apart from all the rules, there are 
many
> > things
> > > that rules cannot address and what creates issues is the money 
and
> > property
> > > and the power over management and dispensation of the money and
> > provide
> > > livelihood and the ability of doling out favors by way of 
giving a
> > platform
> > > to write and speak, so long as you toe the official line. When 
the
> > > organization and the philosophy are combined, it produces a 
strange
> > product
> > > which can be such that at times the actions are not conducive 
to the
> > > dissemination of philosophy.
> > >
> > > This seems to be one of the drawbacks which has stunted the 
growth
> > of the
> > > membership. With all the loud talk about the achievements, the
> > membership
> > > had negative growth in terms of the percentage of the world
> > population and
> > > no one rarely talks about it.
> > >
> > > It is the individual members who, by their daily personal
> > > actions, contribute to the dissemination of theosophy rather 
than
> > the
> > > organization and we all need to find ways to encourage everyone 
to
> > find
> > > newer ways to do it.
> > >
> > > One such example is this e-mail llist which we all enjoy 
because of
> > > the effort and interest of one individual. The TSA during the 
Algeo
> > > leadership was not able to develop an active email list due to 
it
> > being a
> > > (censored) moderated one, which simply shows that where
> > organizations fail,
> > > individual efforts do succeed.
> > >
> > > So many of us like me do look to individual efforts in making
> > theosophy
> > > accessible to world at large.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/16/08, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the relation between Theosophy and the Theosophical
> > Society can
> > > > be seen as the relation between Life and Form. And the Form - 
the
> > > > Theosophical Society is clearly defined by its Rules and
> > Regulations
> > > > and Proceedings which have to be respected to assure that 
voice of
> > > > each individual member is heard, that the freedom of the 
Society
> > and
> > > > freedom of thought is present and that the Theosophy can 
possibly
> > > > pour itself through it. The Form isn't perfect but it is the 
best
> > and
> > > > the only one we have now at this given moment. It can really
> > function
> > > > only when the rules of the game are respected. It is like in 
chess
> > > > where moves of pieces are strictly determined. If you want to 
move
> > > > the pieces arbitrarily you can possibly force the co-player to
> > accept
> > > > your way of playing the game but you are not playing chess
> > anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%
40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "adelasie" <adelasie@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't Theosophy based primarily on Centralization, one 
Life, the
> > > > > Unity of all life? Isn't it based on compassion and 
forgiveness
> > and
> > > > > acceptance and non-judgementalism? Isn't it based on 
cooperation
> > > > and
> > > > > altruism? Doesn't theosophy say that democracy is not the 
best
> > form
> > > > > of government, but just a karmic necessity of this cycle? 
That
> > the
> > > > > ideal form of government is one leader fully supported, the
> > wisest
> > > > > and kindest and best that can be found?
> > > > >
> > > > > I know! How about you, Chuck!! We would all be kept in 
stitches
> > > > > ROFLOAO and nobody would have time to snipe at each 
other...a
> > true
> > > > > utopia....
> > > > >
> > > > > Adelasie
> > > > >
> > > > > On 16 Apr 2008 at 11:46, Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I missed that one, perhaps just as well.? There is nothing
> > > > democratic about Theosophy, either in theory or organization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck the Heretic
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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