Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00353)

You say it is for me to come forward, well I have moved my first foot closer to you. Now the choice is yours.
   
  Divine Maitreya
   
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nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
          "True, we have our schools and teachers, our 
neophytes and shaberons (superior adepts), and 
the door is always opened to the right man who 
knocks. And we invariably welcome the new comer; 
only, instead of going over to him he has to come 
to us. More than that; unless he has reached that 
point in the path of occultism from which return 
is impossible, by his having irrevocably pledged 
himself to our association, we never ? except in 
cases of utmost moment ? visit him or even cross 
the threshold of his door in visible appearance."
L 2 Mahatma Letters to A P Sinnett;chrolology of 
George Linton and Virginia Hanson

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" <adelasie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank,
> 
> It's useful to consider sometimes too, in this connection, that the 
> Master is a living being within each of us, within all humanity. 
The 
> Lodge of Masters is the more highly evolved component of humanity 
at 
> large, the Inner Knower, the composite Higher Self of each 
> individual. The Master, in one sense, does not need to come to the 
> student. The Master is always there, waiting for the student to 
allow 
> the still small voice of the inner world to permeate his 
> consciousness. The more we try to practice the teachings we 
respect, 
> the more we allow that inner consciousness to impinge upon our 
daily 
> reality. Without ruling out any possibilities, we can consider that 
> the great Teacher of humanity in this avataric cycle, the second 
> Millennium after the cycle of the Christ called Jesus by some, may 
> have another form, may be an inner manifestation that reaches all 
> mankind, to the extent it can be received. If we look around our 
> world and notice the amazing changes and advances in many aspects 
of 
> life that have occurred in the last century, we might at least 
assume 
> that something big is happening. 
> 
> Adelasie
> 
> On 24 Feb 2008 at 6:40, Frank Reitemeyer wrote:
> 
> > Adelasie,
> > that's not wrong.
> > 
> > But other than some in the Adyar TS and ULT believe, the Masters 
do not stop 
> > working, having a break and then work again.
> > The "machine" is always working and they send always their co-
workers out, 
> > whether we know it or not.
> > 
> > The master comes, when the pupil is ready.
> > Those theosophists (and I know a lot, which think so), who think, 
that they 
> > can wait, until an adept comes into their living room, asking for 
support, 
> > fail.
> > They can wait until the Day-come-to-us.
> > 
> > Those, who think, all is done, HPB did all the work needed for 
the next 
> > cycle and nothing is left over to be worked out, justify just 
their 
> > laziness.
> > HPB had greater things in mind than the TS. Even a Rene Guenon 
understood 
> > this.
> > Why not theosophists, too?
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: adelasie
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World The Coming Teacher?
> > 
> > 
> > Friends,
> > 
> > Perhaps we could consider the possibility of the "teacher" of the
> > present 2000 year avataric cycle is the heart of humanity itself. 
If
> > we accept that we, the collective race, are at a crossroads in our
> > evolution, that we have reached the make or break it time, and 
that
> > the impulse of the avataric message has been given to the hearts 
of
> > all mankind, then we may be able to see that the opportunity is
> > available to all. Can we live a life of altruism? Can we be 
examples
> > to the world's disenfranchised, those who suffer the retribution 
of
> > eons of man's inhumanity to man? Can we make a decision to 
practice
> > brotherhood, the Golden Rule of antiquity, handed down to us in 
these
> > pivotal times as a guidepost? If I would not want others to do so 
to
> > me, then I will not do so to them? Can we realise, and behave
> > accordingly, that all life is one, that the least of us has the 
power
> > to affect the greatest? It's worth a try.
> > 
> > Adelasie
> > 
> > On 24 Feb 2008 at 3:17, nhcareyta wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Frank
> > >
> > > Thank you for your reply.
> > >
> > > Mr Schuller wrote, "On September 7, 1875, Helena
> > > Petrovna Blavatsky and Henry Steel Olcott founded
> > > the Theosophical Society.
> > > They were directed to do so by two eastern Adepts
> > > or Masters, Morya and Koot Hoomi.(1) Besides its
> > > three official objects (1a), the mission of the
> > > Theosophical Society was to prepare the world for
> > > the coming of a great spiritual teacher, expected
> > > in the last quarter of the 20th century."
> > >
> > > When I agreed with your statement, they "did not...worked
> > > towards the 1975 messenger" you wrote, "not so" and
> > > introduced that Dr Purucker, Iverson Harris and Emmett
> > > Small taught and wrote about this.
> > >
> > > If this is what Dr Purucker or others said years after the 
death of
> > > Madame Blavatsky then I respectfully disagree with their
> > > interpretation.
> > >
> > > Mr Schuller is referring to Madame Blavatsky and her
> > > teachers "mission" through the formation of the
> > > Theosophical Society by virtue of the substantiating
> > > quote he uses from the Key to Theosophy, and the word
> > > "was" in the sentence quoted.
> > >
> > > So reiterating, I don't accept the premise that the
> > > deliberate "mission" of Madame Blavatsky and her
> > > teachers' Theosophical Society was to "...prepare the
> > > world for the coming of a great spiritual teacher."
> > >
> > > My concern is one of emphasis.
> > >
> > > Where Madame Blavatsky referred to the possibility of
> > > a "new torch-bearer of Truth" it was in the following
> > > terms:
> > >
> > > "If the present attempt, in the form of our Society,
> > > succeeds better than its predecessors have done..."
> > >
> > > Please note the word "if."
> > >
> > > And:
> > >
> > > "If the Theosophical Society survives and lives true
> > > to its mission, to its original impulses through the
> > > next hundred years..."
> > >
> > > Note again the word "if."
> > >
> > > In other words, if the Society (members) abides by
> > > its objects (those of 1889) and lives up to its
> > > "mission" of alleviating suffering, and popularizing
> > > "...a knowledge of theosophy" (their version of theosophy)
> > > then possibly, a new teacher may arrive.
> > >
> > > As the next passage confirms:
> > >
> > > "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed,
> > > and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters
> > > of Wisdom..." S.D Vol 1 "Introduction"
> > >
> > > Please note the word "may."
> > >
> > > So whichever way we perceive it, there were/are many
> > > conditions attached to the arrival of a new teacher.
> > >
> > > From my perspective then Madame Blavatsky and her
> > > teachers' "mission" through their Theosophical
> > > Society was not specific preparation for the arrival
> > > of a new teacher 100 years hence, despite the cyclic
> > > potential for this to occur.
> > >
> > > They and their Society were working with the conditions
> > > of the day and they knew that karma would decide
> > > whether or not there would be another attempt a century
> > > later.
> > >
> > > It was and is for each of us as Theosophical students,
> > > and humanity as a whole, to earn whatever arises pursuant
> > > to the law of karma, not to look forward to a future
> > > teacher or saviour as Mr Schuller's and others' emphasis
> > > may construe in the minds of many.
> > >
> > > This perception of what Madame Blavatsky wrote can
> > > lead to many unhelpful attitudes and practices
> > > including the potential for a messianic craze such
> > > as happened in the Adyar Theosophical Society.
> > >
> > > I suspect the same danger lurks to this day.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Nigel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>



                         

       
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