Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00321)

"True, we have our schools and teachers, our 
neophytes and shaberons (superior adepts), and 
the door is always opened to the right man who 
knocks. And we invariably welcome the new comer; 
only, instead of going over to him he has to come 
to us. More than that; unless he has reached that 
point in the path of occultism from which return 
is impossible, by his having irrevocably pledged 
himself to our association, we never ? except in 
cases of utmost moment ? visit him or even cross 
the threshold of his door in visible appearance."
L 2 Mahatma Letters to A P Sinnett;chrolology of 
George Linton and Virginia Hanson


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" <adelasie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank,
> 
> It's useful to consider sometimes too, in this connection, that the 
> Master is a living being within each of us, within all humanity. 
The 
> Lodge of Masters is the more highly evolved component of humanity 
at 
> large, the Inner Knower, the composite Higher Self of each 
> individual. The Master, in one sense, does not need to come to the 
> student. The Master is always there, waiting for the student to 
allow 
> the still small voice of the inner world to permeate his 
> consciousness. The more we try to practice the teachings we 
respect, 
> the more we allow that inner consciousness to impinge upon our 
daily 
> reality. Without ruling out any possibilities, we can consider that 
> the great Teacher of humanity in this avataric cycle, the second 
> Millennium after the cycle of the Christ called Jesus by some, may 
> have another form, may be an inner manifestation that reaches all 
> mankind, to the extent it can be received. If we look around our 
> world and notice the amazing changes and advances in many aspects 
of 
> life that have occurred in the last century, we might at least 
assume 
> that something big is happening. 
> 
> Adelasie
> 
> On 24 Feb 2008 at 6:40, Frank Reitemeyer wrote:
> 
> > Adelasie,
> > that's not wrong.
> > 
> > But other than some in the Adyar TS and ULT believe, the Masters 
do not stop 
> > working, having a break and then work again.
> > The "machine" is always working and they send always their co-
workers out, 
> > whether we know it or not.
> > 
> > The master comes, when the pupil is ready.
> > Those theosophists (and I know a lot, which think so), who think, 
that they 
> > can wait, until an adept comes into their living room, asking for 
support, 
> > fail.
> > They can wait until the Day-come-to-us.
> > 
> > Those, who think, all is done, HPB did all the work needed for 
the next 
> > cycle and nothing is left over to be worked out, justify just 
their 
> > laziness.
> > HPB had greater things in mind than the TS. Even a Rene Guenon 
understood 
> > this.
> > Why not theosophists, too?
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: adelasie
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World The Coming Teacher?
> > 
> > 
> > Friends,
> > 
> > Perhaps we could consider the possibility of the "teacher" of the
> > present 2000 year avataric cycle is the heart of humanity itself. 
If
> > we accept that we, the collective race, are at a crossroads in our
> > evolution, that we have reached the make or break it time, and 
that
> > the impulse of the avataric message has been given to the hearts 
of
> > all mankind, then we may be able to see that the opportunity is
> > available to all. Can we live a life of altruism? Can we be 
examples
> > to the world's disenfranchised, those who suffer the retribution 
of
> > eons of man's inhumanity to man? Can we make a decision to 
practice
> > brotherhood, the Golden Rule of antiquity, handed down to us in 
these
> > pivotal times as a guidepost? If I would not want others to do so 
to
> > me, then I will not do so to them? Can we realise, and behave
> > accordingly, that all life is one, that the least of us has the 
power
> > to affect the greatest? It's worth a try.
> > 
> > Adelasie
> > 
> > On 24 Feb 2008 at 3:17, nhcareyta wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Frank
> > >
> > > Thank you for your reply.
> > >
> > > Mr Schuller wrote, "On September 7, 1875, Helena
> > > Petrovna Blavatsky and Henry Steel Olcott founded
> > > the Theosophical Society.
> > > They were directed to do so by two eastern Adepts
> > > or Masters, Morya and Koot Hoomi.(1) Besides its
> > > three official objects (1a), the mission of the
> > > Theosophical Society was to prepare the world for
> > > the coming of a great spiritual teacher, expected
> > > in the last quarter of the 20th century."
> > >
> > > When I agreed with your statement, they "did not...worked
> > > towards the 1975 messenger" you wrote, "not so" and
> > > introduced that Dr Purucker, Iverson Harris and Emmett
> > > Small taught and wrote about this.
> > >
> > > If this is what Dr Purucker or others said years after the 
death of
> > > Madame Blavatsky then I respectfully disagree with their
> > > interpretation.
> > >
> > > Mr Schuller is referring to Madame Blavatsky and her
> > > teachers "mission" through the formation of the
> > > Theosophical Society by virtue of the substantiating
> > > quote he uses from the Key to Theosophy, and the word
> > > "was" in the sentence quoted.
> > >
> > > So reiterating, I don't accept the premise that the
> > > deliberate "mission" of Madame Blavatsky and her
> > > teachers' Theosophical Society was to "...prepare the
> > > world for the coming of a great spiritual teacher."
> > >
> > > My concern is one of emphasis.
> > >
> > > Where Madame Blavatsky referred to the possibility of
> > > a "new torch-bearer of Truth" it was in the following
> > > terms:
> > >
> > > "If the present attempt, in the form of our Society,
> > > succeeds better than its predecessors have done..."
> > >
> > > Please note the word "if."
> > >
> > > And:
> > >
> > > "If the Theosophical Society survives and lives true
> > > to its mission, to its original impulses through the
> > > next hundred years..."
> > >
> > > Note again the word "if."
> > >
> > > In other words, if the Society (members) abides by
> > > its objects (those of 1889) and lives up to its
> > > "mission" of alleviating suffering, and popularizing
> > > "...a knowledge of theosophy" (their version of theosophy)
> > > then possibly, a new teacher may arrive.
> > >
> > > As the next passage confirms:
> > >
> > > "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed,
> > > and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters
> > > of Wisdom..." S.D Vol 1 "Introduction"
> > >
> > > Please note the word "may."
> > >
> > > So whichever way we perceive it, there were/are many
> > > conditions attached to the arrival of a new teacher.
> > >
> > > From my perspective then Madame Blavatsky and her
> > > teachers' "mission" through their Theosophical
> > > Society was not specific preparation for the arrival
> > > of a new teacher 100 years hence, despite the cyclic
> > > potential for this to occur.
> > >
> > > They and their Society were working with the conditions
> > > of the day and they knew that karma would decide
> > > whether or not there would be another attempt a century
> > > later.
> > >
> > > It was and is for each of us as Theosophical students,
> > > and humanity as a whole, to earn whatever arises pursuant
> > > to the law of karma, not to look forward to a future
> > > teacher or saviour as Mr Schuller's and others' emphasis
> > > may construe in the minds of many.
> > >
> > > This perception of what Madame Blavatsky wrote can
> > > lead to many unhelpful attitudes and practices
> > > including the potential for a messianic craze such
> > > as happened in the Adyar Theosophical Society.
> > >
> > > I suspect the same danger lurks to this day.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Nigel
> > >
> > >
> > >
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