Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00278)

Dear Frank

Thank you for your response.

You write, "There are many more references of HPB 
to the promise of Tsong-kha-pa, that the Lodge 
will send out every century a messenger to the 
Barbarians, f.e. in her Collected Writings or the 
so-called 3rd vol. of The Secret Doctrine.
Other teachers of Theosophy (HPB's successors in 
the Tibeto-Dzyan transmission line) also taught 
positively the coming of an outer messenger around 
1975.
HPB makes also a play about the messenger of 2075.
Even if theosophical teachers did not teach about 
and worked towards the 1975 messenger?"

Frank, this is right, they "?did not teach about 
and worked towards the 1975 messenger?"

There are indeed numerous references and allusions 
to the arrival of a spiritual impetus and sometime 
personage in the latter quarter of each century, 
but to suggest Madame Blavatsky and her teachers 
were deliberately "preparing for this" is factually 
wrong unless Mr Schuller, you or others can point 
to a quote directly stating this purposeful 
readiness and preparation. 

Their work was for the contemporary conditions of 
the time and for the great discoveries and desired 
mindset of the twentieth century and beyond. 
>From my perspective, whilst their work formed part 
of a regular cycle of assistance to the beings on 
this planet, to suggest they were solely preparing 
for, or laying the groundwork for a future "messiah" 
type figure is simply not true.


You write, "Your are both wrong.
HPB was Leader of the Theosophical Movement, 
Besant not.
Besant was successor of the President of the 
Blavatsky Lodge and President of the European 
Section and was made O.H. *** on probation *** 
of the E.S."

Frank please note, Mr Schuller's quote was, 
"Annie Besant, Blavatsky's successor as leader 
of the Theosophical Society?"

This matter can be seen simply as definition and 
fact.

The term leader refers to the person with ultimate 
responsibility for the operation of an organisation 
or group. The term Theosophical Society in this 
context refers to the International Society. 
It does not refer to the European section, Blavatsky 
Lodge or the movement at large.
Colonel Olcott was clearly and factually the leader 
of the Theosophical Society until his death in 1907 
and was even urged to acknowledge this in context 
by the Mahatma KH in his famous letter to the Colonel 
when serious issues were coming to a head in 1888: 
"To help you in your present perplexity, H.P.B. has 
next to no concern with administrative details, and 
should be kept clear of them so far as her strong 
nature can be controlled." 
L 47 Letters from the Masters of the Wisdom 1st series. 
BCW Vol. 10 October 1888. 

But the Mahatma continues, "But this you must tell to all; with 
occult matters she has everything to do. . ."

Had Mr Schuller stated Dr Besant succeeded Madame 
Blavatsky as head of the Esoteric Section or 
"Eastern School of Theosophy" he would have 
been partly correct, although Dr Besant initially 
shared this honour with William Quan Judge.

Dr Besant succeeded Colonel Olcott as leader of 
the Theosophical Society.

It is important to me we get facts correct at least 
in areas where this is possible.


Thank you again for your response.

Regards
Nigel





--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <dzyan@...> 
wrote:
>
> Nigel writes:
> 
> Mr Schuller (Scheuler) writes in his article `
> The Masters and Their Emissaries:
> From H.P.B. to Guru Ma and Beyond', "Besides its
> three official objects, the mission of the
> Theosophical Society was to prepare the world
> for the coming of a great spiritual teacher,
> expected in the last quarter of the 20th century."
> 
> I don't accept this premise to be correct and
> don't accept his quote from the Key to Theosophy
> as validation of this. Their "mission" or rather,
> their "forlorn hope" was to assist in the
> alleviating of suffering through the release of
> a body of teachings.
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Frank replies:
> 
> There are many more references of HPB to the promise of Tsong-kha-
pa, that 
> the Lodge will send out every century a messenger to the 
Barbarians, f.e. in 
> her Collected Writings or the so-called 3rd vol. of The Secret 
Doctrine.
> Other teachers of Theosophy (HPB's successors in the Tibeto-Dzyan 
> transmission line) also taught positively the coming of an outer 
messenger 
> around 1975.
> HPB makes also a play about the messenger of 2075.
> Even if theosophical teachers did not teach about and worked 
towards the 
> 1975 messenger - fact is, for all, who have eyes to see - that the 
1975 
> messenger did really come to the West and brought new teachings, 
although 
> most "theosophists" - lying in coma - did not recognize him, the 
majority 
> until today.
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Nigel writes:
> 
> He writes, "Annie Besant, Blavatsky's successor
> as leader of the Theosophical Society."
> 
> Madame Blavatsky was never leader of the Theosophical
> Society and Dr Besant was therefore not her successor.
> This is a mistake which is quite extraordinary unless
> he has information to the contrary.
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Frank replies:
> 
> Your are both wrong.
> HPB was Leader of the Theosophical Movement, Besant not.
> Besant was successor of the President of the Blavatsky Lodge and 
President 
> of the European Section and was made O.H. *** on probation *** of 
the E.S.
> 
> Therefore Besant got NOT HPB's occult ring, but only her 
precipitated copy 
> of it.
> HPB's occult successor was hidden announced by HPB herself as a 
picture 
> puzzle
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/40872
> 
> What have all the theosophical sects now to say?
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Nigel writes:
> 
> He continues, ".and Charles Webster Leadbeater,
> mediator between the Adepts and the Theosophical
> Society."
> 
> I do not accept this as true for the reasons I have
> stated in this forum many times.
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Frank replies:
> 
> Right, Leadbeater was no mediator, but only a medium of the astral 
world.
> His alleged "Masters" are his mayavic ideations, as Hugh Sherman 
once put it 
> and have nothing in common wit HPB's Masters.
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Nigel writes:
> 
> 
> He finishes his sentence, ".were directed to implement
> this project fifty years in advance."
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Frank replies:
> 
> Idiotic, Besant and Leadbeater finished nothing and not in advance, 
they 
> destroyed the TS and made a church of blind believing, flight-from-
reason 
> mental slaves of it (until TODAY thinking is forbidden in the Adyar 
TS) - 
> the direct opposition of the Original programme. They did not help 
one iota 
> the 1975 messenger. They did all to detroy the work of the Masters.
> 
> Besant and Leadbeater are the biggest enemies of Theosophy, besides 
that 
> they promoted black-magic anti-Germanism with lies, cant and 
slander 
> (whereas all messengers of the Lodge before HPB - like the Count of 
St. 
> Germain (as the name shows) and after HPB, including the 1975 
messenger, 
> were German-friendly and opposed judeo-anglo-saxon materialism and 
> hypocrisy, compare HPB on cant and Carlyle.
> 
> Best
> Frank
>