Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00192)

Compared to HPB or her Adepts, I am only a wink away from HPB's baboon.  But I live in hope that one day I will master not only my lower self but also develop occult powers that will prove to me that I am immortal, so my agenda is not all that humble.
   
  Cass

Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo.com> wrote:
          Lol, Cass this is misplaced humbleness...the average
human being today is not much more than an animal...

--- Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am. What do you consider yourself?
> Cass
> 
> Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
> wrote:
> 
> Are you average beings?
> 
> I would say, that Master is not agreeing on this.
> But, that is just my view.
> ;-)
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Cass Silva 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
> 
> Not to us average beings
> Cass
> 
> Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
> wrote:
> 
> So the Great White Lodge has no value?
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: MKR 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
> 
> It is a free world and each can come to theri own
> conclusion and stay with
> it.
> 
> I am not a scholar; just an ordinary student. No
> organization can lead
> anyone for self development. All they can do is do
> the mechanical stuff. The
> real work, I think, the individual has to do it
> himself/herself.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On 2/16/08, Morten Nymann Olesen
> <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
> >
> > I feel absolutely free to disagree with you.
> "Organisations" as a word
> > covers a lot of content in its definition. Saying
> that the great white lodge
> > cannot help and benefit humanity, and that only J.
> Krishnamurti can and will
> > is just about the most wrong conclusion one can
> get into ones head!
> >
> > Do you really think, that Master Morya, H. P.
> Blavatsky, Damodar
> > Mavalankar are no more?
> > Really. How far are you prepared to go to put the
> Old Lady and Master
> > Morya down the toilet?
> >
> > But, of course I must be misunderstanding you,
> because you sound like an
> > intelligent scholar.
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MKR
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > I have said this many times.
> > One of the lessons that one learns from K's
> disbandment of organizations
> > is
> > the need to set ourselves free to inquire as
> organizations cannot take us
> > to
> > enlightenment.
> >
> > mkr
> >
> > On 2/16/08, Shel Steijl <shelley@sai.co.za
> <shelley%40sai.co.za>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well said, MKR.
> > > Shel
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MKR
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>
<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Distortions and
> diversions?
> > >
> > > Any open minded person need to keep certain
> facts in mind.
> > >
> > > Organizations are great when it comes to
> mechanical tasks such as
> > > publishing
> > > and re-publishing and arranging for meetings and
> gatherings etc. Once it
> > > goes beyond that, they cannot lead one to
> self-discovery (which you have
> > > to
> > > do it yourself unfettered
> > > by any preconceived ideas or notions). Once
> there is an organization,
> > > there is the bureaucracy and the need for group
> conformity. Once you
> > > are in the group for a long time, it is very
> difficult to think
> > > outside the box. The other complicating fact is
> that many
> > > organizations own a lot of very valuable real
> estate
> > > with the ownership comes other headaches and
> problems that may interfere
> > > with the distribution of teachings. Spirituality
> and property and money
> > do
> > > not mix well.
> > >
> > > It should be recalled that during the early days
> of TS, there was very
> > > little money. Even the Adyar estate was
> purchased by borrowing money
> > with
> > > the support of some active theosophists. The
> lack of money helped the
> > > founders to concentrate on spreading theosophy
> than having to worry
> > about
> > > managing money.
> > >
> > > Looking at some of the past litigation that
> organizations have got
> > > themselves into, you will find that property and
> money are at their root
> > > and
> > > in all these litigations, it was the attorneys
> who came out winners.
> > >
> > > Organizations have their place and let us not
> over emphasize their role
> > in
> > > personal development and progress and
> spirituality.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > > On 2/16/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au
>
<nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au><nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear mkr
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your comment.
> > > >
> > > > You write, "If Pablo takes time to read all
> the
> > > > past archives of various theos lists, he may
> > > > come out with a different opinion."
> > > >
> > > > I really hope that he might indeed read the
> past
> > > > archives and other available literature with a
> > > > truly open mind. However I suspect this might
> > > > be difficult for him.
> > > >
> > > > As an ex-Adyar Society apologist I can attest
> > > > to the difficulties faced by one thoroughly
> > > > absorbed in the organisation and its powerful
> > > > mindset.
> > > >
> > > > I was exposed to some of the issues of Bishop
> > > > Leadbeater and Dr Besant whilst President of
> > > > the local Lodge but dismissed it as
> muckraking.
> > > > It was only whilst living at the Adyar Society
> > > > headquarters in India for a few months that I
> > > > was able to conduct more thorough research.
> The
> > > > enormity of their betrayal of "original"
> > > > Theosophy and the extraordinary and
> all-important
> 
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