Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00059)

Looks these are the people who can quickly respond to theosophical doctrines
since they do not have any strong/established beliefs and superstitions.

mkr

On 2/7/08, Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Lol, they are exactly NOT the ones who will listen.
> We'd better spread the ideas with people who have no
> religeous background or have abandoned it: there are
> more of those than real believers, even in a
> 'saviour'.
> Have a look at the movie 'Groundhog Day' and you will
> understand that even the worst people can be put back
> on track...not by the magic of living the same day
> allover again and again, but that Day symbolises the
> various lifes one has.
>
> --- Morten Nymann Olesen
> <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Allow me to repeat a short exerpt from the below
> > with words by HPB:
> >
> > "The Secret
> > Doctrine, original edition, Vol. I, p. viii. Italics
> > added.
> >
> > "... A new and rapidly growing danger...is
> > threatening...the spread
> > of the pure Esoteric Philosophy and knowledge....I
> > allude to those
> > charlatanesque imitations of Occultism and
> > Theosophy....By pandering
> > to the prejudices of people, and especially by
> > adopting the false
> > ideas of a personal God and a personal, carnalized
> > Saviour, as the
> > groundwork of their teaching, the leaders of this
> > 'swindle' (for such
> > it is) are endeavoring to draw men to them and in
> > particular to turn
> > Theosophists from the true path." E.S. Instruction
> > No. I., 1890
> > edition, p. 2. Italics added."
> >
> >
> >
> > Eureka! Let the fanatics, Krishnamurti followers and
> > similar saviour-worshippers listen to that one.
> >
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nhcareyta
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:39 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Theosophical Traditions & New
> > Students of Theosophy
> >
> >
> > There are at least a dozen different Theosophical
> > "traditions"
> > or "schools" based on the claims of various
> > prominent individuals in
> > the modern Theosophical Movement.
> >
> > H.P. Blavatsky (1831-1891) was the first person in
> > modern times to
> > write about the Theosophical Adepts, especially
> > the Masters Morya and
> > Koot Hoomi.
> >
> > Madame Blavatsky wrote:
> >
> > " . . . I was the first in the United States to
> > bring the existence
> > of our Masters into publicity; and . . . exposed
> > the holy names of
> > two members of a Brotherhood hitherto unknown to
> > Europe and America
> > (save to a few mystics and Initiates of every
> > age), yet sacred and
> > revered throughout the East, and especially India
> > . . . . " "The
> > Theosophical Mahatmas." The Path, December, 1886.
> >
> > But after H.P.B.'s death in 1891, we find numerous
> > claims of contact
> > with the same Adepts. See a list of persons making
> > such claims.
> >
> > These various claims are dependent on Mme.
> > Blavatsky's original
> > statements and testimony.
> >
> > For example, if H.P.B. was a fraud, her Masters
> > fictional characters,
> > and her teachings false or simply made up and/or
> > borrowed from
> > genuine previously existing religious and esoteric
> > beliefs, then all
> > the later claims based on hers would also be
> > false.
> >
> > "You cannot acquire psychic power until the causes
> > of psychic
> > debility are removed. . . . You have scarcely
> > learned the elements of
> > self-control in psychism. . . . "
> >
> > "Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes
> > illusive Gurus and
> > chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined
> > the instant before in
> > the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself."
> >
> > "The false appears as real, as the true, and you
> > have no exact method
> > of detection, since you are yet prone to force
> > your communications to
> > agree with your preconceptions."
> > Master Koot Hoomi,
> > Mrs. Holloway and the Mahatmas,
> > Letter 17 Bold added.
> > But if H.P.B.'s claims and teachings are true and
> > genuine, that is
> > no guarantee that any of the later claims are
> > therefore true and
> > genuine, too. All later claims might be false.
> > Or only one or only some of the later claims might
> > be true but the
> > rest might be false. Etc.
> >
> > Looking briefly at Theosophical history, we find
> > that in the 1890s,
> > William Q. Judge and Annie Besant (both students
> > of H.P.B.) claimed
> > to be in contact with H.P.B.'s Master Morya. But
> > each of them
> > reported opposite and contradictory statements as
> > coming from Master
> > M. (1)
> >
> > Some Theosophists sided with Mr. Judge; others
> > with Mrs. Besant.
> > This "division" led eventually to the breakup of
> > the original
> > Theosophical Society into two separate and
> > competing organizations.
> >
> > The contradictory claims by Judge and Besant
> > apparently were the
> > beginning of the various lineage claims concerning
> > "esoteric"
> > successors to Madame Blavatsky.
> >
> >
> > In the Adyar Theosophical Society, we find the
> > following lineage of
> > succession:
> >
> > H.P. Blavatsky > Annie Besant & Charles W.
> > Leadbeater > the next
> > successor ??
> >
> > In the Point Loma Theosophical Society:
> >
> > H.P. Blavatsky > William Q. Judge > Katherine A.
> > Tingley > G.
> > de Purucker > the next successor ??
> >
> > In the United Lodge of Theosophists:
> >
> > H.P. Blavatsky > William Q. Judge > Robert Crosbie
> > > the next
> > successor ??
> >
> > In the Arcane School:
> >
> > H.P. Blavatsky > Alice A. Bailey > the next
> > successor ??
> >
> > And, of course, there are also many other lineage
> > claims (e.g. those
> > of Helena Roerich, Elizabeth Prophet, etc.).
> >
> > The end result is a confusing morass of claims and
> > counterclaims and
> > various contradictory and conflicting teachings.
> >
> > But should we really be surprised that all of this
> > has happened?
> >
> > Even during her own lifetime, Mme. Blavatsky wrote
> > about bogus claims
> > of contact with her Masters, about "wild and
> > fanciful speculation"
> > concerning the Theosophical teachings and even
> > about "charlatanesque
> > imitations" of Theosophy:
> >
> > "Great are the desecrations to which the names of
> > two of the Masters
> > have been subjected. There is hardly a medium who
> > has not claimed to
> > have seen them. Every bogus swindling Society, for
> > commercial
> > purposes, now claims to be guided and directed by
> > 'Masters' often
> > supposed to be far higher than ours!...." The Key
> > to Theosophy,
> > original edition, p. 301. Italics added.
> >
> > "The publication of many of the facts herein
> > stated has been rendered
> > necessary by the wild and fanciful speculation in
> > which
> === message truncated ===
>
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