Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00025)

Yes. Allright. I will consider the movie and its spiritual dimension. And of course also the cultural aspects and their very american characteristics.


Maybe I am more primitive than usual right now. I do however like the following movie somewhat more:
"The Parting of the Ways"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Parting_of_the_Ways

I do find this Emperor Dalek and his genetic experiments very amusing. Not to mention the talk about the Time War, Rose who looks into the Time Vortex, and the Doctor's reincarnation as the Tenth Doctor....
:-)


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Nasrudin in Not so difficult 

The Mullah's neighbour wanted to borrow his cloth-line. Nasrudin said "sorry, I am using it'. Drying flour!' 

The neighbour said, 'how on earth can you dry flour on a cloths-line?' Mullah replied, 'it is less difficult than you think when you do not want to lend it'. 


I guess there might be a difference between a "cloth-line" with flour and a "story-line" transcending time.
But it is perhaps not that difficult when you do not want to think about it or think at all.
:-)








M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Traditions & New Students of Theosophy


  Lol, they are exactly NOT the ones who will listen.
  We'd better spread the ideas with people who have no
  religeous background or have abandoned it: there are
  more of those than real believers, even in a
  'saviour'.
  Have a look at the movie 'Groundhog Day' and you will
  understand that even the worst people can be put back
  on track...not by the magic of living the same day
  allover again and again, but that Day symbolises the
  various lifes one has.

  --- Morten Nymann Olesen
  <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Allow me to repeat a short exerpt from the below
  > with words by HPB:
  > 
  > "The Secret 
  > Doctrine, original edition, Vol. I, p. viii. Italics
  > added. 
  > 
  > "... A new and rapidly growing danger...is
  > threatening...the spread 
  > of the pure Esoteric Philosophy and knowledge....I
  > allude to those 
  > charlatanesque imitations of Occultism and
  > Theosophy....By pandering 
  > to the prejudices of people, and especially by
  > adopting the false 
  > ideas of a personal God and a personal, carnalized
  > Saviour, as the 
  > groundwork of their teaching, the leaders of this
  > 'swindle' (for such 
  > it is) are endeavoring to draw men to them and in
  > particular to turn 
  > Theosophists from the true path." E.S. Instruction
  > No. I., 1890 
  > edition, p. 2. Italics added."
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Eureka! Let the fanatics, Krishnamurti followers and
  > similar saviour-worshippers listen to that one.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: nhcareyta 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:39 AM
  > Subject: Theos-World Theosophical Traditions & New
  > Students of Theosophy
  > 
  > 
  > There are at least a dozen different Theosophical
  > "traditions" 
  > or "schools" based on the claims of various
  > prominent individuals in 
  > the modern Theosophical Movement. 
  > 
  > H.P. Blavatsky (1831-1891) was the first person in
  > modern times to 
  > write about the Theosophical Adepts, especially
  > the Masters Morya and 
  > Koot Hoomi. 
  > 
  > Madame Blavatsky wrote:
  > 
  > " . . . I was the first in the United States to
  > bring the existence 
  > of our Masters into publicity; and . . . exposed
  > the holy names of 
  > two members of a Brotherhood hitherto unknown to
  > Europe and America 
  > (save to a few mystics and Initiates of every
  > age), yet sacred and 
  > revered throughout the East, and especially India
  > . . . . " "The 
  > Theosophical Mahatmas." The Path, December, 1886.
  > 
  > But after H.P.B.'s death in 1891, we find numerous
  > claims of contact 
  > with the same Adepts. See a list of persons making
  > such claims.
  > 
  > These various claims are dependent on Mme.
  > Blavatsky's original 
  > statements and testimony. 
  > 
  > For example, if H.P.B. was a fraud, her Masters
  > fictional characters, 
  > and her teachings false or simply made up and/or
  > borrowed from 
  > genuine previously existing religious and esoteric
  > beliefs, then all 
  > the later claims based on hers would also be
  > false. 
  > 
  > "You cannot acquire psychic power until the causes
  > of psychic 
  > debility are removed. . . . You have scarcely
  > learned the elements of 
  > self-control in psychism. . . . "
  > 
  > "Your vivid creative fancy [imagination] evokes
  > illusive Gurus and 
  > chelas, and puts into their mouths words coined
  > the instant before in 
  > the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself." 
  > 
  > "The false appears as real, as the true, and you
  > have no exact method 
  > of detection, since you are yet prone to force
  > your communications to 
  > agree with your preconceptions." 
  > Master Koot Hoomi, 
  > Mrs. Holloway and the Mahatmas,
  > Letter 17 Bold added.
  > But if H.P.B.'s claims and teachings are true and
  > genuine, that is 
  > no guarantee that any of the later claims are
  > therefore true and 
  > genuine, too. All later claims might be false.
  > Or only one or only some of the later claims might
  > be true but the 
  > rest might be false. Etc. 
  > 
  > Looking briefly at Theosophical history, we find
  > that in the 1890s, 
  > William Q. Judge and Annie Besant (both students
  > of H.P.B.) claimed 
  > to be in contact with H.P.B.'s Master Morya. But
  > each of them 
  > reported opposite and contradictory statements as
  > coming from Master 
  > M. (1)
  > 
  > Some Theosophists sided with Mr. Judge; others
  > with Mrs. Besant. 
  > This "division" led eventually to the breakup of
  > the original 
  > Theosophical Society into two separate and
  > competing organizations. 
  > 
  > The contradictory claims by Judge and Besant
  > apparently were the 
  > beginning of the various lineage claims concerning
  > "esoteric" 
  > successors to Madame Blavatsky.
  > 
  > 
  > In the Adyar Theosophical Society, we find the
  > following lineage of 
  > succession: 
  > 
  > H.P. Blavatsky > Annie Besant & Charles W.
  > Leadbeater > the next 
  > successor ??
  > 
  > In the Point Loma Theosophical Society: 
  > 
  > H.P. Blavatsky > William Q. Judge > Katherine A.
  > Tingley > G. 
  > de Purucker > the next successor ??
  > 
  > In the United Lodge of Theosophists: 
  > 
  > H.P. Blavatsky > William Q. Judge > Robert Crosbie
  > > the next 
  > successor ??
  > 
  > In the Arcane School: 
  > 
  > H.P. Blavatsky > Alice A. Bailey > the next
  > successor ??
  > 
  > And, of course, there are also many other lineage
  > claims (e.g. those 
  > of Helena Roerich, Elizabeth Prophet, etc.). 
  > 
  > The end result is a confusing morass of claims and
  > counterclaims and 
  > various contradictory and conflicting teachings.
  > 
  > But should we really be surprised that all of this
  > has happened?
  > 
  > Even during her own lifetime, Mme. Blavatsky wrote
  > about bogus claims 
  > of contact with her Masters, about "wild and
  > fanciful speculation" 
  > concerning the Theosophical teachings and even
  > about "charlatanesque 
  > imitations" of Theosophy:
  > 
  > "Great are the desecrations to which the names of
  > two of the Masters 
  > have been subjected. There is hardly a medium who
  > has not claimed to 
  > have seen them. Every bogus swindling Society, for
  > commercial 
  > purposes, now claims to be guided and directed by
  > 'Masters' often 
  > supposed to be far higher than ours!...." The Key
  > to Theosophy, 
  > original edition, p. 301. Italics added.
  > 
  > "The publication of many of the facts herein
  > stated has been rendered 
  > necessary by the wild and fanciful speculation in
  > which 
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