Theos-Talk Archives (November 2007 Message tt00261)

Hi Christina
Rents are very high here now.  It is very difficult for young couples to buy a house as they start from $250,000 (which is at least 20ks out of Melbourne city) up to 1.5 million.  The average wage is approximately $800 per week.  

I think the Euro was established to knock out the US global stronghold on currency, I wish I had bought in to it, in the early years!

Cass


----- Original Message ----
From: christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS world


Hi Cass , if I read this all, same in most countries, also with the 
rules.Here outsiders need to speak and read Dutch and do the exam for 
300 euro, otherwise they can stay outside.

Looks like Switserland the rent for the houses.Are you sure 150-750 
American Dollars a week??????
By the way our Euro is higher than the American dollar.Is about $1.20.

FrGr Christina

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Frank Reitemeyer <dzyan@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:53:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Recreating TS History
> 
> >Are you telling me that there are 75 million chinese refugees in 
Europe?
> 
> No. I was telling you from foreign races in Europe.
> Most of them are Africans and Turks and Arabs.
> 
> > If Germany had taken over the world would we all be speaking 
German now?
> 
> Hard to answer in the if-when style, but probably not, because 
language is 
> an expression of the soul.
> Do speak German one needs to think German.
> Cass: Language for me is about communication and expressing one's 
opinion to self and others. Broadly speaking it may express a 
soul's insight through words but it is more a functional necessity 
for our mentality.
> 
> The result of the foreign rule and the Orwellian thinking is that 
more and 
> more Germans cannot understand German.
> Cass: I don't get the connection. Are you referring to Old 
German v Modern German?
> 
> I just had a talk with an academic about an average German book of 
the 
> beginning of the 20th century.
> She was not able to understand the idealistic style, as she was 
raised in 
> school and university in the materialistic way as you knwo from 
the 
> anglo-saxony world.
> Cass: We have no trouble understanding Nietzsche, Ibsen, Brecht, 
so why the problem in Germany?
> 
> >Chinese keep to themselves and are no bother whatsoever.
> 
> The Chinese were an example for me to understand my former 
argument of 
> destroyed original cultures, which you seemed not to understand 
well.
> So now you play on the Chinese as if I want to talk about Chinese.
> Cass: My Chinese history is not so good, but like all cultures, 
they reach their pinnacle and then decay. I think they are having a 
bit of a renaissance right now by marching into the technological 
age. The sleeping dragon has awoken and its hungry!
> 
> >If it is the Arabs that are raping it is because of their 
repressed 
> >sexuality and their nonsense religion. Do the same as we do to 
other 
> >rapists, catch them and lock them up.
> 
> A very racist point of view.
> Cass: How is this racist? I was not saying only Arabs rape, but 
in response to your claim that the streets are not safe because of 
the Arabs, then, if this be the case, they should be treated as 
every other rapist. Personally I believe the punishment for rape 
should be to Eunich them.
> 
> >They can't all be rapists Frank, just as not all germans were not 
nazis. I 
> >think perhaps you are blaming all for the acts of the few.
> 
> And I think you have no idea of the social live conditions here, 
even if I 
> try it to explain to you.
> Cass:So you are saying Frank that Germany the Motherland that 
nearly conquered the world are unable to sort out a few arabs or 
africans? I believe the way we do it here is that Australian 
Citizenship is not available for 4 years, they must pass a social 
historical exam concerning australia's history and political 
leaders, and they must have a working knowledge of English. If in 
that 4 years they commit a crime, I believe that they are then 
deported, after Australian Citizenship, if they commit a crime, they 
go to prison like everyone else.
> 
> I cannot that what I am or what I am not, because of lack of 
definition when 
> someone is a nazi or not.
> Cass: My definition is, a Nazi is a misguided jew hater with a 
superiority complex (probably stemming from an inferiority complex)
> 
> I have seems newspaper reports calling Russians who want not give 
over their land to foreign powers are now called nazis too.
> Cass: I thought the Russians couldn't own land after Stalin but 
merely worked it. Aren't the foreign powers coming into their 
country to steal their land the Nazis? I can't see how Putin would 
be OK to selling off Russia to anyone. There is already trouble on 
the Russian/Chinese border.
> 
> >I think it is sad when a society fears walking its own streets, 
thank 
> >goodness, it hasnt occured here.
> 
> This is what I have tried to explain you after you jubliation abou 
> tmulticulturalism.
> Cass: Multi-culturalism takes time, like I said, usually two 
generations. Here we had the Irish and English first, then the 
Chinese (for the gold fields), then the jews, the mass immigration 
in the 50's of Greeks and Italians and some Turks,then the Germans 
came, followed by Eastern Europeans, then the Lebanese,then the 
Vietnamese, then the Sudanese and now the Arabs. 
> All these cultures, other than the Arabs, more or less shared a 
similar religious belief, so there religion was tolerated, although 
at the time, not much else was. The Arabs now have their own 
communities, their own mosques and their own schools. Other than 
the odd moronic Mukti's and a few younger males they have been 
peaceful and have assimiliated reasonably well, but they still hold 
on to their old customs, as did the others, until their children and 
their children's children intermarried.
> 
> Many are attacked here from aggressive Turks, Arabs, Poland and 
Russians.
> It is enough when you are sitting in bus and subway and look with 
open eyes.
> Then they come, hit you and provoke: "Want problems?"
> 
> The results is that the German minority in the subway fears to 
look straight 
> ahead.
> Some weaks ago a wild young Turk ahd the plan to push someone with 
inrun out 
> of the starting subway.
> Although it was long after midnight and I was tired, my inner 
voice came 
> through and cried to me:
> "Frank, leave this corner!" A lady took my place.
> Some seconds later the inrunning Turk pushed her with all his 
power out of 
> the starting subway.
> The lady was very fat (or she was too short for her weight, to be 
> politically correct) and heavy and she was able to claw at the 
half closed 
> door.
> I think I would have been a better victim.
> Cass: Perhaps you need to have citizen groups who monitor these 
trains and buses. I think the Americans did it, didn't they, when 
they had problems in their transport system.
> 
> What do you tell a supermarket cashier, which has already three 
times 
> forayed this year by Turkish gangs and who can only with sleeping 
pills, so 
> far as her foreign neighbours (she earns not enough money to move 
to a 
> better quarter) which make terror all night long (the police fears 
to come 
> if you phone them) are so gentle and have longer low noise periods?
> Cass: The Police here would work with the leaders of those 
communities to ensure that the communities themselves ensured this 
behaviour stopped.
> 
> What do you think will she say about the advantage of 
multiculturalism?
> You are right, she will say nothing and suffer silently because 
she will not 
> be outed as a nazi from the ruling communist class, which live in 
high class 
> quarters without foreigners.
> Cass: Then nothing will change Frank, if anything it will 
escalate. 
> 
> After reading your postings I should meditate about a move to 
Australia.
> Seems it is a more silent place as Germany.
> How much would the Australian goverment pay for German immigrant 
like me.
> Cass: You would have to contact the Australian Commission in 
Germany but if you have a skill that is required here, you would 
probably get approval. If you are retired, it would be more 
difficult, as you would be required to be financially secure as the 
government would not be able to place you on our social services. 
You would be able to support yourself on $1500 per month, provided 
you had your own accommodation. Rents here vary from $150 a week in 
country areas to $750 a week in the heart of the City. You have 
probably left your run too late.
> As a theosophist I have no high demands. Can you live from USD$ 
1,500 a 
> month?
> And what size may an apartment for an immigrant like we have (I 
ask because 
> of my theosophical library).?
> Cass: As I said, apartments can be expensive. Most are two 
bedrooms,sitting room, kitchen, laundry, bathroom, and dining room. 
There are plenty of houses for rent with anything from 3 - 5 
bedrooms but they can start at $300 per week. The TS in Melbourne 
have a facility where retired Theosophists can live for a minimal 
rent, but I guess the preference would go to those that have been 
members for a number of years.
> 
> Cass
> Thanks,
> Frank
> 
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