Theos-Talk Archives (September 2007 Message tt00159)

A good starting point with Karma is to ask what lesson is being learnt by this suffering.  Democracy is the new colonialism.  Will all this pain and suffering cause an Iraki or an American soldier to reevaluate his ideals.  Will it challenge their faith in their religion?  What do we, the armchair philosophers learn from sitting back and watching the daily attrocities, the inhumanity to man.  I admire those protestors who get out of their warm beds to voice their opposition to these actions.  Is it enough to say I am being a good theosophist, I preach the gospel of sophia, from my ivory castle?  Where are the dissenting voices of our belief system?  
   
  As a society of free thinkers why hasn't Adyar or Pasadena shown its disgust for current world events.  We can offer sympathy even empathy, but in reality our lack of action and commitment to our fellow brothers and sisters, lies on the comfortable couch of, it's not my karma.  It seems to me that we are no better than the Roman Church which selectively becomes mute when its followers are massacring others or are being massacred.
   
  Cass
   
  Cass

Scribe <scribe@rs.org> wrote:
          MK,

Thank you for your questions, they look familiar. I have been asked 
essentially the same questions and I have tried to respond with the answers 
below which you may judge:

Best Regards,
Scribe

MKR: "The bottom line is - war is causing a lot of pain and suffering to a 
very
large number of people.

"How does one view the above from a Karmic point of view:

"Is all the suffering due to repayment of Karmic Debts by those who are
facing pain & suffering?"

ME: Except for accidents, yes.

MKR: "What are the Karmic consequences for those responsible for the 
destruction
and pain? Or are they just acting as the agents of Lords of Karma so that
they do not have to face any consequences?"

ME: Karma is mitigated when one is involved because their country is at war. 
They should not incur more than they should unless they go off on their own 
and do bad things to others.

MKR: "Since countries are involved, what are the national karmic 
consequences? Do
we - you and I going to pay for the national karma?"

ME: This is partially answered above. There is national karma and we are 
part of that, Again, unless we do something bad from a personal point we 
will be in the general national karma situation.

MKR: "For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our responsibilities and 
what
we can do to minimize the pain and suffering?"

ME: To me, at this point in my understanding of Theosophical teachings and 
high philosophy, that is the quintessential question for all of us. My first 
duty is to my family, and that means not to do anything rash that will come 
back and harm them physically or financially if I were to be arrested in a 
protest, etc. I feel I can do the most good by being a good example in 
person in my actions at home and outside my home by my cordial treatment of 
others including Muslims. My livelihood is modest but beneficial to mankind, 
I do no harm. I am blessed with a good mind and I try to interject healing 
thoughts and Theosophical comments in my everyday discourse and in 
particular in my forums and emails on the internet. Since the internet came 
out I have dedicated a web site to Theosophical teachings and other good 
works. My Mars is conjunct Uranus in Gemini and my Mercury is on my Medium 
Coeli--so I must write, it's in my genes. :)

MKR: "Etc. Etc.

Any thoughts?

Mkr"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@gmail.com>
To: <theos-L@yahoogroups.com>; <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: Theos-World Karma & Reincarnation

We are exposed to the principles of Karma and Reincarnation and from time to
time we think about it when we act or react in any situation we are faced
with.

The world is watching the war that is going on in the Afghanistan and Iraq.
Thanks for the modern technology; we are able to see live pictures of what
goes on in a war. In the past, we were able to read eyewitness accounts of
the action and some still pictures. For any sensitive person who sees the
live pictures on TV will be very much pained to see what is happening unless
one is insensitive to all the horror.

>From a factual/statistical point of view:

1. Numerous buildings - residences and commercial are destroyed by
bombs and firefight.
2. Many young men and women have lost their lives causing a lot of
suffering to their kith and kin and the results are going to last a very
long time.
3. Many young men and women have been seriously wounded - losing their
limbs and disabling head injuries. Lifelong suffering will be faced by 
them.
Again causing suffering to kith and kin.
4. Several million have been displaced and are refugees from their own
countries. Most with no jobs and homeless living on government handouts.
5. Several thousands have been killed, maimed.
6. Countries infrastructure destroyed.

The bottom line is - war is causing a lot of pain and suffering to a very
large number of people.

How does one view the above from a Karmic point of view.

Is all the suffering due to repayment of Karmic Debts by those who are
facing pain & suffering?

What are the Karmic consequences for those responsible for the destruction
and pain? Or are they just acting as the agents of Lords of Karma so that
they do not have to face any consequences?

Since countries are involved, what are the national karmic consequences? Do
we - you and I going to pay for the national karma?

For some of us who believe in Karma, what are our responsibilities and what
we can do to minimize the pain and suffering?

Etc. Etc.

Any thoughts?

Mkr

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