Theos-Talk Archives (August 2007 Message tt00023)

Dear Cass
What a shock! 
Best wishes with your battle with the dreaded weed. Often the trouble 
is we don't think it to be so dreadful until hit with something 
serious. And even then we don't really want to give it up.
Loving thoughts and all strength to you.
Nigel 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Hello again Christina,
>   I am picturing you in your spot in the garden under the grapes "a 
good to be alive moment".  I had a heart attack 5 weeks ago and it 
makes you appreciate that those moments  are priceless.  I am well 
now, and attempting to quit smoking which is one of the hardest 
things I have ever experienced.  
>   Be well
>   Warm regards
>   Cass
> 
> christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
>           -Hallo Cass,
> Thanks for your attention.
> Yes since I have a laptop
> I am sitting to work in my garden
> don't laugh, under the grapes
> they are still growing blue now
> It is late in the year for it has raining a lot here
> Like the moessons in the very far East.
> 
> So I can enjoy outside prana and don't need to sit in the house.
> That is why I have more time to follow and where I can help I will 
do
> I know you also do
> You showed Us a lot of nice things.
> Especially the Joke of the Perrot of Christmas
> I never forget that
> , LOL
> See you 
> Christina
> 
> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Christina,
> > Long time since we last talked, hope you are keeping well. Thanks
> for clearing up this matter
> > Warm regards
> > Cass
> > 
> > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > -Hi Cass,
> > I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched
> > posibilities.
> > But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with 
other
> > people is not a permanent kundalini awakening.
> > That persons have same like with drugs.
> > Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness.
> > 
> > But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from 
China and
> > Africa which reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini) 
in
> > which they saw all over and within others minds and also could 
walk
> > through fire, without they burned their legs.
> > Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way.
> > We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we 
also
> > can wake a certain energy.
> > Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind
> > 
> > It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure.
> > I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa
> > versa through our nervous system.
> > The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher 
levels
> > are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland.
> > And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the 
whole
> > system.
> > 
> > Christina
> > 
> > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Christina,
> > > I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in
> > nature. Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious 
which
> > is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be 
verified.
> > What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited
> > by negative and not positive forces.
> > > 
> > > Warm regards
> > > Cass
> > > 
> > > christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@> wrote:
> > > In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the
> > Kalahari
> > > desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state 
can be
> > > obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many 
yogic
> > > texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the
> > > ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed.
> > > Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung.
> > > I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing 
> > > Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right 
that it is
> > > a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing 
all,
> > > from the intuitive level Buddhi.
> > > Christina
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo Sender" <pasender@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that 
statement of 
> > > > HPB (kundalini = active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid
> theosophical 
> > > > answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi".
> > > > I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may 
be 
> > > > awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no
> cause-
> > > > effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those 
> > > > exercises? 
> > > > Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different 
levels of 
> > > > Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because
> someone may 
> > > > say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the 
> > > > Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are).
> > > > I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature 
to
> offer 
> > > > as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is 
only a 
> > > > lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the 
psychic
> level 
> > > > (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises,
> but it 
> > > > won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot 
awaken the 
> > > > higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that 
teaching? I
> can 
> > > > give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas). 
But, 
> > > > awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken 
Kundalini, 
> > > > although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not
> through 
> > > > breathing or sex exercises.
> > > > p
> > > >
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