Theos-Talk Archives (August 2007 Message tt00021)

Hi John, 
It was nice of you to answer and explain what You meant.  I
agree with what  you wrote here.  I myself have done many
things theosophists would disapprove of.  I attended a
place [called Teaching of the Inner Christ, offshoot of
Science of Mind] where I did the table tipping with this
group.  Yes, the table stood on two legs in response to
spirits.  I rather enjoyed this. I did this  even thro my
theosophist friends were warning me of the dangers of
mediumship.
I also checked out Channeling, one called Mafu, Penny
Torris Rubin.

As much as the theosophists and even HPB warned of the
dangers of mediumship, most objective books written on HPB
suggest that HPB was a medium herself.

She did channel 5 different Masters, and I knew their names
at one time. 
  I do hold HPB in high regards.  In her writings, I get
the feeling that she gives hints and clues and even blinds
and  that it is up to me to see beyound these.

She has said that some knowledge would be dangerous if
released too soon.   I understand this. 

I spend many hours in SD of HPB and she said many times
that she gives hints and sometimes even blinds.  It is up
to the student to understand the hints and see thru the
blinds.  Actually, I really only read HPB as I figured I do
not need others to translate her to me. 

misc thought: number 33 you mentioned.  Did you know the
masons use this number 33 as the top number in their
initiation scale. 33 means something but this is not my
area of knowledge and I do not know.

Again, I understand and agree with what you wrote.  I have
just joined this list and I am still 'getting into the flow
of the mind streams  or idea streams'  which flow on these
lists.  Discussion is good.

misc, I attended the Long Beach, California, ULT  study
sessons held in Long Beach. We  had good discussions,
discussing what we each thought HPB  or WQJ meant.  A
simple sentence of HPB  or Judge would bring on 45 minutes
of discussion of what we each and all thought  that
sentence meant. 
   
Best regards to you John 
Henry B. Ellak




--- Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:

> Henry,
>    Hi, nice to meet you, thanks for you comments. As it
> was my post that your reference I think i can reply and
> clarify. I meant in using :
> 
> >>What she originated was then and still is now taken
> > as the final word of God incarnate  << 
> 
>  to express a figure of speech in a laconic slightly
> sarcastic sense only. I had no intention to communicate
> any idea that she in any shape, manner or form possessed
> idea's of Deity as to herself or the Mahatma's. The
> Mahatma's spoke of an Absolute Principle but repudiated
> any and all concepts of personal deity as did Madame
> Blavatsky. i personally hold the tenet that the
> "dispensation" (for want of a better succinct expression)
> she was enabled to lay before the world via the Mahatma's
> was as she states incomplete and relies upon the efforts
> of individuals to continue to assemble the additive parts
> as they may and as provided in future originations. Hatha
> Yoga is taught now in the 21st Century in literally
> thousands of Centers all over the world and has been
> since Vasant Rele' and a Yogi came to America and
> instructed for the first time to the western world. The
> idea that people will go mad, turn into maniacs, become
> severely disabled wholesale is simply FALSE! There is no
> basis to
>  maintain such a view based upon real actual direct
> experience of tens upon tens of thousands of
> practitioners world wide! It is plain Hooey! In Mahayana,
> Zen, Hindu Ashrams under direct supervision and careful
> observation of Guru safe proper gradients of advancement
> are maintained and have been for centuries, this is a
> matter of known public record in todays world compared to
> the time of H.P.B. I myself have witnessed and observed
> Mahayana Tripitaka Master of Host Robe Grade (The 33
> partitioned Robe) supervising a Monk who had advanced to
> the stage of pranic transformation of the breaths with
> physical somatics seen. I do not advocate individual
> practice of advanced techniques without a High Guru to
> supervise, this is in accord with every Teaching.
>    Theosophy has a strain of views in certain aspects
> that suppress, inhibit, and wildly exaggerate to create
> fear and prevent acquisition of knowledge thereby
> maintaining a certain control over others that has no
> basis in my personal opinion. Ignorance is abhorred in
> Patanjali and every other Teaching. One cannot see the
> Moon while there is dust upon the mirror. Blavatsky never
> said to anyone that people should be maintained inain
> anadvancing stastasis stagnation fixated unchanging
> composition of the economy of the Being so that we end up
> just like the comcommoneryday religionists who are
> maintained by the bishops like fish in a pond. She rather
> always admonished everyone andand atl times to "TRY" not
> capitulate. Somewhere the mismisconceptionept in that one
> should blindfold themselves to all but what some treat as
> a Theosophical Dogma they canonize towards other and
> forever make claims on what they never cared to know.
> There is a Theosophist that even wrote a Book on the
> Breaths 
> and Breathing Techniques! She dedicated the book to:
> Rama Prasad, M. A., F. T. S. and with this statement:
> "When all the motions of the body have become perfectly
> rythmical the body has, as it were, become a gigantic
> battery of will."
> "The body: "A means to an end; an instrument intended for
> the cilculture the soul"
> Raja Yoga
> Her name was EllEllaelia Fletcher and her book is :
> "The Law of the Rhythmic Breath" 1908, she was a
> Theosophist.
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> ------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Henry B. Ellak**" <henrybellak@yahoo.com> 
> 
> 
> --- Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > When Blavatsky lived there was not any tangible
> > exposure in the west to Pranayama techniques or Hatha
> > Yoga. What she originated was then and still is now
> taken
> > as the final word of God incarnate as originated by the
> > Mahatma's through her..
> 
> Hi all, 
> I understood that it was written somewhere by HPB that
> during the last 25 years of every century, the Mahatma's 
> give out more data.
> 
> HPB was for last 25 years of 1800's, but that in last 25
> years of the 1900's more would be released.
> 
> I do not believe that HPB believed that her work was the
> final word.
> 
> I do not believe that HPB believed she was God Incarnate.
> 
> I do not believe that HPB believed that the Mahatma's 
> were God Incarnate.
> 
> In fact, what did HPB say about "God". I do not believe
> or
> see in her writings that she actually believed in God as
> the masses of Christians do.
> 
> I am sure, that in her mind and in her writings, "God"
> was
> not the highest. I believe she put Atman at the top.
> 
> Did HPB believe in God? I do not think so. At least not
> by that name. Henry B. Ellak
> 
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