Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00520)

-Hi Cass,
I put it on this place for showing there are a lot of researched
posibilities.
But I think that way of trance, which I have seen by myself with other
people is not a permanent kundalini awakening.
That persons have same like with drugs.
Also hallucinations are of lower consciousness.

But the research of Saraswati gives some ways of people from China and
Africa which  reached the state of universal phenomenon(kundalini) in
which they saw all over and within others minds and also could walk
through fire, without they burned their legs.
Whatever it is, I think not directly a negative way.
We all know if we push for long time our legs to our behind, we also
can wake a certain energy.
Same with clairvoyance but they are of temperory kind


It is not so easy , but more and more we can measure.
I think the buddhic state works through the pineal gland and visa
versa through our nervous system.
The more we purify the body, mind and spirit, the more higher levels
 are to be reached in which we develope the pineal gland.
And all have to do with harmony, equilibrium or balancing the whole
system.

Christina







-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Christina,
>   I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in
nature.  Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious which
is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be verified.
   What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited
by negative and not positive forces.
>    
>   Warm regards
>   Cass
> 
> christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@...> wrote:
>           In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the
Kalahari
> desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state can be
> obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many yogic
> texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the
> ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed.
> Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung.
> I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing 
> Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right that it is
> a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing all,
> from the intuitive level Buddhi.
> Christina
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo Sender" <pasender@> wrote:
> >
> > But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that statement of 
> > HPB (kundalini = active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid theosophical 
> > answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi".
> > I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may be 
> > awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no cause-
> > effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those 
> > exercises? 
> > Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different levels of 
> > Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because someone may 
> > say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the 
> > Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are).
> > I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature to offer 
> > as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is only a 
> > lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the psychic level 
> > (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises, but it 
> > won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot awaken the 
> > higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that teaching? I can 
> > give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas). But, 
> > awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken Kundalini, 
> > although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not through 
> > breathing or sex exercises.
> > p
> >
> 
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