Theos-Talk Archives (July 2007 Message tt00518)

Hello Christina,
  I am no expert but trance states are not necessarily buddhic in nature.  Trance states I imagine spring from the sub-conscious which is part of the conscious apparatus and as such can never be verified.    What I find interesting is that psychophrenics are always visited by negative and not positive forces.
   
  Warm regards
  Cass

christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> wrote:
          In Nothh West Botswana, Africa , the I Kung people of the Kalahari
desert dance for many hours to heat up n/um so that !kia state can be
obtained. This state of transcendence resembles that in many yogic
texts on kundalini in which states of consciousness beyond the
ordinary and participation in eternity are discribed.
Judith Cooper writes about the !Kung.
I think there are individual and different ways in experiencing 
Kundalini.The results of it are not lying and you are right that it is
a starting buddhic level a beginning in seeing all and healing all,
from the intuitive level Buddhi.
Christina

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo Sender" <pasender@...> wrote:
>
> But this is exactly what I feel will happen with that statement of 
> HPB (kundalini = active Buddhi) if we don't have a solid theosophical 
> answer for it. Anybody may say "I'm working to awaken Buddhi".
> I don't think the Spiritual Insight and Wisdom (Buddhi) may be 
> awakened by whatever exercise of breathing or sex. There is no cause-
> effect relationship in that. What has Wisdom to do with those 
> exercises? 
> Because of that I wouldn't even say there are different levels of 
> Kundalini (besides the fact that I never read it) because someone may 
> say: "Yes, these exercises are to awaken Kundalini in the 
> Paramahakosmic level" (you know how the New Agers are).
> I think we have several hints in the theosophical literature to offer 
> as an answer what I wrote in a previous message: Kudalini is only a 
> lower aspect of Fohat, its awakening has to do with the psychic level 
> (not the spiritual), you can awaken it by the known exercises, but it 
> won't activate Buddhi. According to Occultism, we cannot awaken the 
> higher through the lower (is everybody aware of that teaching? I can 
> give HPB's references, when she talks about the Tattvas). But, 
> awakening Buddhi, the person will be able to awaken Kundalini, 
> although the Occultist method is through meditation, and not through 
> breathing or sex exercises.
> p
>



         

       
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