Theos-Talk Archives (June 2007 Message tt00029)

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Leon wrote: It all depends on what you mean by consciousness. Are you talking about 
pure perceptive awareness and willful intent that we experience when awake or 
while dreaming? Or, do mean the sense of self as separate from all other 
beings? Or, do you mean the opposite of unconscious, knocked out, drugged, or 
anesthetized?

If the first -- in my view, potential consciousness along with potential 
matter is a fundamental aspect SPACE that is the primal base 
of all phenomenal existence
  Cass: Leon, you refer to SPACE are you referring to dark matter or dark energy?
  Therefore, upon initial manifestation of the cosmos from the "singularity" of Absolute SPACE at the moment of the big bang 
  Cass:  Big Bang = a new manvantara?
  
-- which its awakened "will" initiates -- consciousness arises simultaneously 
and codependent with the initial fractally involved fields of matter as the 
universe continues to fractally involve and spherically inflate.
  Cass:  Will or desire within the godhead (have to call it something).  While in Pralaya the godhead, consciously, sub-consciously or un-consciously desires or wills to manifest itself.
   After full inflation and breaking of symmetry of the physical plane at the third fractal 
involution, the zero-point centers of consciousness become spread everywhere in 
the Planck vacuum at the zero-point energy field centers and poles of all fundamental particles, as well as all the atoms, molecules, cells, and organisms they are parts of. Thus, consciousness is spread everywhere throughout the entire universe within all matter that, essentially, is nothing more than absolute dimensionless ground space in various modes of vibratory motion. 
  Cass: From a dimensionless state the godhead produces (10) planes of existence as it involutes.  From fine to gross. From vibrations on the higher planes to atoms on the lower planes.  I understand that it is not linear in terms of planes but I use it as linear to be able to comprehend the idea.   In so doing, godhead, differentiates into a zero point of consciousness in the planes it has just or self-created?  
  (Third fractal involution? Is that because it is part of the higher triad that is beyond our comprehension?
  So are we talking about a point of consciousness on every plane or are you saying that, e.g. if looking at it as if it was a ringed tunnel the various rings representing the various planes then one can see that this zero point of consciousness will be at the centre of all planes, emanating from this key central point of consciousness.  Of course this tunnel has no sides, it is immeasurable space, it is to our way of thinking ? eternity and eternal boundlessness or infinite consciousness with a zero point at the centre of the circle.  Here I think HPB brings in coadunate but not consubstantial?
   
  This is the source of the visual and aural perceptive consciousness located 
in the exact center of our head, and the self consciousness that apparently is 
located at the center of the body aura fields in the naval chakra. 
  Cass:  So thinking of myself, my consciousness in part and parcel of the great zero point. I manifest this point through the ?matter? of the physical plane, which gives me my visual and aural perceptive consciousness.  And like the godhead, my point of consciousness emanates from a centre and travels outward through my auras which may be composed of strings or qualia which carries this consciousness. 
  It also accounts for all the cellular consciousness throughout the body at the 
zero-point centers of their analogous fractally involved coenergetic fields -- which 
accounts for remotely localized touch on the skin, smell in the nose, taste on 
the tongue, pain in a stubbed toe or pin prick on a finger tip, etc.

Cass:  Every organ, every muscle, every anything physical has a ?consciousness? or ?intelligence? which accounts for sentient existence, as we know it.
  When you say fractally involved co-energetic fields are you referring to a continuous circular outward movement through the various co-energetic fields (or planes) as in my tunnel analogy?
   
  In this view, all sentient beings have the same type of perceptive 
consciousness (awareness, will, qualia, etc.) as us humans... Although, in many cases, 
far more sensitive. I'm also pretty sure that many animals are not only self 
conscious but can think causatively, and subconsciously calculate graphically 
and holistically from both instinctive and conditioned (learned) memory. 
Therefore, they have logical minds, although below the level of conscious 
rationality. How else would a lion recognize its own pride, and be able to hunt 
selective prey with calculated discrimination and anticipatory tactics -- far 
better, in some cases, than a human can. (Although they can't play the same 
sneaky tricks.:-)
  Cass:  Is Qualia ? strings of consciousness


  Going away for the weekend but look forward to your response anon.

Cass

In a message dated 6/6/07 8:31:45 PM, compiler@wisdomworld.org writes:

> To Leon Maurer  Everyone: Where does consciousness begin in the
> universe
> Leon, I hope that I am more or less correct in my
> understanding of all that you write about in this forum, which is that,
> in my way of saying it, the starting point for everything, that great
> unknown, so-called, that everything must rest in in order to come into
> existence throughout the cosmos, such as the scientific Big Bang, all
> other Big Bangs, and all related ideas such as the Multiverse, Absolute
> Space, and so on with all of the different ways that you, and everyone
> else here, describe the different levels, planes, fields, infinite
> universes, and so on about how it all works, is that it all rests in,
> emanates out of, begins, exists, evolves, goes back into, and so on, to
> the source of all levels of cosmic activity and action -- which you say
> is CONSCIOUSNESS. . I won't personally be repying to anyone, but I would
> like to get as many views as possible from Leon and everyone else about
> this -- meaning views on whether consciousness at every level that we
> know about, in all the kingdoms, with thinking self-consciousness being
> at the top of them all, comes from UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS that is the
> source and guidance and memory of everything, or not? -- or does
> self-consciousness evolve, little by little, out of the lowest forms in
> all the kingdoms that we know of on our planet, on other planets, in our
> galaxy, in all other galaxies, in all the invisible levels and planes
> that we know about, and in all others that we probably don't know about
> yet? . Leon, in advance, I want to most sincerely thank you, and
> everyone else who offer their views. . Compiler (John DeSantis) . 
> 
> 

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