Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00714)

Friends,

We have a revealing text below br Mr. Caldwell.  

Indeed perhaps he has never "attacked" the ULT, but he certainly seems to be defending himself in this significant message.

We can accept his words.  But  what should we think about David Green, Terry Hobbes and other 'personalities'?  Do these 'personalities' agree with Mr. Caldwell and share his feelings and ideas?  Is Mr. Caldwell speaking for all of them, or just for "Caldwell" as such? 


Regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:29:20 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Supposed "Attacks" on ULT and Robert Crosbie

> Supposed "Attacks" 
> on ULT and Robert Crosbie
> 
> Mr. Carlos Aveline from time to time refers to my supposed "attacks" 
> on the ULT and Robert Crosbie.
> 
> Of course, he never gives specifics as to what he considers an
> attack. And he doesn't deal with THE SUBSTANCE of the attacks or
> criticisms.
> 
> For example, what particular statements have been made about ULT or
> DES or Robert Crosbie that have been "false" or untrue? Can he name
> one or two or three or four examples?
> 
> But as I have previously stated, I have ALSO criticized Leadbeater
> and the Adyar TS since at least 1975.
> 
> So by Mr. Aveline's same remarkable "logic", I suppose I have also
> been attacking the Adyar TS.
> 
> But I guess that my criticisms and questioning of Leadbeater may be
> okay with Mr. Aveline, since he too likes to dish out criticisms on
> Leadbeater, Besant and the Adyar TS.
> 
> As a student of the history of the Theosophical Movement, I am mainly
> concerned with the truth or falsity of historical statements that
> various ULT writers have made about the ULT, its origins, etc. and
> the claims made by and for Robert Crosbie (the founder of the ULT).
> 
> The SAME for Adyar writers and their statements about the TS Adyar
> and Mrs. Besant and Mr. Leadbeater, etc.
> 
> And THE SAME for other writers of other Theosophical groups.....
> 
> If I am really "attacking" the ULT, what is my motive for doing so?
> 
> Mr. Aveline has vaguely suggested my motive might be political or
> that I have infiltrated the movement as some kind of Jesuit. 
> 
> Of course, apparently it suits Mr. Aveline's own theosophical 
> purposes to keep all of these suggestions as vague as possible.
> 
> Maybe my real motive is to get at the truth, the facts whether it be 
> about Adyar or ULT, Leadbeater or Crosbie or whatever topic it might 
> be....
> 
> Previously on Theos-Talk I have recommended some of the excellent
> publications of the Theosophy Co. And I do not denigrate
> individual members of the ULT. In fact, the vast majority of them
> are no doubt good and sincere people.
> 
> But I have raised some questions and issues that I assume certain ULT
> associates including Mr. Aveline do like to hear about. Therefore it
> is understandable that Mr. Aveline tries to devalue and discount my
> observations and criticisms just as he has tried to desperately
> discount and dismiss Dr. Tillett's observations about ULT.
> 
> My impression is that Mr. Aveline doesn't mind anyone asking hard
> questions about the Adyar TS and Leadbeater but for reasons best
> known to Mr. Aveline he doesn't want Carl Ek, Gregory Tillett or me
> asking similarly hard questions and making frank observations about
> the ULT and Crosbie.
> 
> Daniel
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