Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00549)

I don't think so Theo, I believe that true masonry carried the ancient wisdom to the west prior to the arrival of HPB.  Masonry (true) like Theosophy (true) are branches of the ancient wisdom.  I am sure the Masons in this group would be able to show the links between Masonry and Eastern thought.  Like all organizations they rise and they decay, as Pike said, but the ancient wisdom remains true to itself.

Cass

th.paijmans@wxs.nl wrote:                                  Is it fair to say then that the TS was a masonic experiment?
 
 regards,
 
 Theo
 
 ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
 Van: Carl Ek <carl.ek@mail.com>
 Datum: woensdag, december 13, 2006 12:07 pm
 Onderwerp: Theos-World Re: Olcott, a Mason.
 
 > The only one the see this as a confusion as probably you, Carlos. 
 > The fact that a majority of the Theosophists in generation one were 
 > Masons, that TS rituals and lodge was build up with the Masonic 
 > lodges as pattern and that Masonry was seen as one of the premier 
 > esoteric bodies in Europe have nothing to do with confusion at al.
 > 
 > And about the TS ritual; As late as 1891 was Olcott using it, 
 > during 
 > his visit in Stockholm.
 > 
 > Carl
 > 
 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
 > <carlosaveline@...> wrote:
 > >
 > > As everyone knows, the TS was a precarious thing in the U.S. up 
 > to 
 > HSO's and HPB's departure for India;  and the situation went on 
 > like 
 > that until Judge's work flourished in the 1880s. 
 > > 
 > > There was never a confusion between theosophical movement and 
 > masonry up to 1907. 
 > > 
 > > Carlos. 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
 > > 
 > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
 > > 
 > > Cópia:
 > > 
 > > Data:Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:12:20 -0000
 > > 
 > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Olcott, a Mason.
 > > 
 > > > Based on that he was a fellow of a Royal Arch Chapter in 1860, 
 > and 
 > > > to join a Chapter one must be a Master Mason (from initiation 
 > (First 
 > > > Degree) to become a Master Mason takes no shorter then two 
 > years) 
 > > > and officer in a blue lodge (one have to be a Master Mason at 
 > least 
 > > > one year before one can become a officer normally). In those 
 > > > districts in the US were they was following English Masonic 
 > > > Tradition, the MM had to be a Mark Master Mason (MMM) before 
 > (or 
 > > > more correct, its recommended) he can entered the Royal Arch 
 > > > Chapter, but I do not know if Olcott was in American (where the 
 > > > Mason tacks the Chapter before the Mark) or English (where Mark 
 > is 
 > > > before Chapter). In the English case, it will then be plus one 
 > year. 
 > > > Olcott was Senior Warden 1861, in a Blue Lodge. So then we have 
 > to 
 > > > count. From initiation to Master Mason, 2 years, minimum 2 
 > years 
 > as 
 > > > a junior offices (Tyler, Outer Guard etc), 1 years as Secretary 
 > (or 
 > > > Treasurer), Junior Warder 1 year and finally Senior Warden. 
 > That 
 > > > gives minimums six a' seven years. (The document I'm basing 
 > these 
 > > > calculations on are mentioned in HPB Speaks vol. I p. 27).
 > > > So Olcott was initiated 1855 or before. 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 > >
 > 
 > 
 > 
 
     
                       

 
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